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Waxman Seeks 50 Caliber Ban
Violence Policy Center ^ | 10/11/01 | Naomi Seligman

Posted on 10/13/2001 7:40:53 AM PDT by sailor4321

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To: sailor4321
"Super Guns" Can Down Helicopters, Defeat Armored Limousines, Destroy Aircraft at Terminals, Ignite Fuel Tanks, From Over a Mile
I assume this one is not a parody, but it’s hard to tell for sure.

patent  +AMDG

61 posted on 10/13/2001 12:53:00 PM PDT by patent
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To: EdZep
In the future, no bullet may be sold whose diameter is greater than that of my nostrils.”

Who the hell makes .80 cal rifles???

62 posted on 10/13/2001 1:03:05 PM PDT by ninenot
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To: Fred
They sell for about $2,000. if you want a bare-bones type. Really gussied up for real sniping (2000 yards+) will cost you about $10-12K
63 posted on 10/13/2001 1:08:49 PM PDT by ninenot
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To: sailor4321; all
A Message From Barrett Firearms Manufacturing Inc.

In Response To Recent News Articles Accusing Barrett Of Selling Guns To Bin Laden

Mr. Tom Diaz of the Violence Policy Center (VPC) has obtained information from the recent trial of a suspected terrorist and has taken several facts out of context to suit his anti-gun agenda. Mr. Diaz would have you believe that the U.S. gun industry is so greedy, evil and un-American that it can and would sell guns to terrorists. Based on Mr. Diaz’ misleading information, news articles are appearing stating that Barrett Firearms Manufacturing Inc. sold guns to Bin Laden and that now our troops will face these weapons.

What is the truth? Well, during the 1980’s it must be remembered that the U.S. was supporting the Afghanistan “freedom fighters” or Mujahedeen in their fight against the Russian invaders. As part of the U.S. initiative, various types of small arms, ammunition and even anti-aircraft Stinger missiles were given to these “freedom fighters” in support of their cause. In retrospect we can say that we learned too late that our former friends would become our enemies, and yes, our troops now face the very weapons our government supplied the opposition.

So how did the Mujahedeen buy this equipment from U.S. companies? Did they walk up to the manufacturer of the Stinger missile, say they were from Afghanistan, hated Russians, and needed a few Stinger missiles to knock some of their planes out of the sky? Certainly not. Officials of the US government either sent them missiles from their own stock or arranged the sale through the current manufacturer. The latter was the case for the Barrett rifles, but Mr Diaz omitted these facts. If cognizant U.S. Government officials request the support of an arms manufacturer in such cases, should we to dispute their judgment?

Mr. Diaz has painted an inaccurate picture for the American people allowing them to believe that there is a gun free-for-all bazaar going on in the U.S. where there are no restrictions to prevent foreign governments or terrorists from buying guns. Mr. Diaz ignores the fact that many laws are in place to govern every one of these sales, and they are strictly enforced. For the export of munitions, the U.S. State Department conducts a lengthy and thorough review of every case, studying the need for the materiel, verifying the credentials of those signing the import documents, and even examining the human rights record of the receiving country. No gun manufacturer would be foolish enough to risk being closed down for violating these laws.

Barrett Firearms Manufacturing Inc., like other gun manufacturers in the U.S., has been a law-abiding supplier of firearms to the U.S. government and other friendly governments approved by the U.S. State Department. The agency that regulates us, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms, was sent to visit our factory after Mr. Diaz’ accusations and concluded that Barrett is now and has been in full compliance with the law.

Mr. Diaz’ comments have been detrimental to the reputation of Barrett Firearms. Many of our customers, vendors, families, and friends have read these headlines and now have a negative opinion of our company. Some of our subcontractors have now refused to supply us. This is bad for Barrett and bad for our country. Since the September 11th attack, Barrett and every other supplier of guns to the U.S. military have been contacted to support the anti-terrorist cause. And once again Barrett Manufacturing will answer our government’s call. We’re all struggling to respond quickly while at the same time fighting the false accusations of Tom Diaz or the frivolous lawsuits of municipalities and others that seek to blame the gun industry for the ills of society.

Unfortunately, Mr. Diaz has recently published a 100+ page diatribe against .50 caliber weapons and the gun industry in general, and in this he has produced a very useful document for terrorist use which points out likely terrorist targets and even gives the actual locations of certain key “targets.” He seems to want his readers to believe that .50 caliber rifles, and only .50 caliber rifles, would be needed by terrorists to attack America. We now know this is not true. This new information which could benefit terrorists comes as no surprise as it follows VPC’s now-famous map showing where terrorist gunmen should stand to hit targets in Washington DC. Someone needs to ask Mr. Diaz: “Are you with us, or with the terrorists?”

signed
The Management of Barrett Firearms Manufacturing, Inc.

Barrett Firearms Manufacturing, Inc.
P.O.Box 1077
Murfreesboro, Tennessee 37133 USA
Phone: (615) 896-2938
FAX: (615) 896-7313

64 posted on 10/13/2001 1:10:06 PM PDT by hattend
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To: patent
It isn't intended as such. You can see the report, if you wish, at http://www.vpc.org/press/0110wax.htm It is truly a piece of crap.

For Barrett Mfg response, see below (I certainly hope they sue the report writer and that they send their position paper to Ridge and Powell.

65 posted on 10/13/2001 1:34:08 PM PDT by sailor4321
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To: hattend
Thank you for posting this info.... of note:

Mr. Diaz has recently published a 100+ page diatribe against .50 caliber weapons and the gun industry in general, and in this he has produced a very useful document for terrorist use which points out likely terrorist targets and even gives the actual locations of certain key “targets.” He seems to want his readers to believe that .50 caliber rifles, and only .50 caliber rifles, would be needed by terrorists to attack America. We now know this is not true.

I want to know when the Lapdog Press is going to call some of these anti-selfdefense, anti- Bill of Rights people on their lies, spin, fraud, and evasions....

66 posted on 10/13/2001 1:34:41 PM PDT by backhoe
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To: sailor4321
Thanks for your supportive commnts. I think I'm going to write to my Congressman, the truly honorable Dana Rohrbacher, and make a contribution to the NRA. Chuck Heston speaks very effectively about our right to self-defense.
67 posted on 10/13/2001 3:46:06 PM PDT by defenderSD
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To: ppaul
It happens time and time again. You fire off a M1 incendiary, API round or even the much ballyhooed Raufoss .50 BMG round only to be left completely disappointed in the lack of true "Hollywood" blast effects. Many times you just get a poof of smoke ...or don't get anything at all! BWS, Inc has taken a dramatic leap forward in small arms ammunition technology with the advent of the world's first MicroNuclear .50 BMG projectile. Behold, the "Nuke50" MicroNuclear .50 BMG round!

Nuke 50 testing (Real Audio)

68 posted on 10/13/2001 3:57:52 PM PDT by TERMINATTOR
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To: Hoosier
Or just pull his nose hairs with a vise-grip....
69 posted on 10/13/2001 4:00:42 PM PDT by pankot
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To: sailor4321
What else can you expect from a socialist/communist! check out his website: http://www.dsausa.org/
70 posted on 10/13/2001 4:01:46 PM PDT by Defender2
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Congressman Waxman Urges Gov. Ridge, Sec. Of State Powell Take Immediate Action to Protect Americans—Letter in Response to VPC Report Warning of Tools of Terror Obtained by Osama Bin Laden

Whew, I'm really relieved. I just know all of those 'terror cells' are lining up to comply.

71 posted on 10/13/2001 4:04:00 PM PDT by He Rides A White Horse
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To: lavaroise
Isn't Waxman the California neo-Nazi who has displayed an almost pathological hatred of smokers for the past decade?

I do not smoke from one year to the next, but his ranting on the subject of how other people live is very disturbing to anyone who has respect for individual choice in America.

William Flax Return Of The Gods Web Site

72 posted on 10/13/2001 4:05:21 PM PDT by Ohioan
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To: defenderSD
I certainly have done so. Have written to Ridge and Powell, as well (using the exemplar letter as modified). And, though they are probably already aware, I wrote to Barrett Firearms to make sure they know how the Diaz paper is being used (I suspect if Waxman's position were adopted they'd have a hard time staying in business) and urging them to send their response to Mssrs Powell and Ridge.

The Diaz paper is just another example of how the gun phobes will say anything, no matter how false and misleading, to advance their aims. The other example from this year, of course, is Besileides (sp) "Arming Armerica". But, thanks to enough noise being generated by our crowd (including disinterested historians) Besileides' own university is demanding that he defend his work.

If there was ever a time to argue that gun restrictions on law abiding citizens have gone too far, now is it. The war on terrorism will be fought, the government tells us, right here among us from time to time. When they can't use airplanes or chemicals, etc., they'll turn to guns (just as they have in Israel). We should be armed accordingly and have a right to be so.

73 posted on 10/13/2001 4:08:08 PM PDT by sailor4321
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To: Hoosier
Yeah, Waxman is still holding on to the Clinton era, pre-World Trade Center idea, that government can suppress the American people for socialistic reasons.

The American people will not be subdued!

How many fronts do you want to fight on Waxman?

74 posted on 10/13/2001 4:10:31 PM PDT by Bogie
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To: He Rides A White Horse
"Osama, please report to Congressman Waxman---a law has been passed demanding your weapons of destruction"

(crickets)

75 posted on 10/13/2001 4:12:11 PM PDT by He Rides A White Horse
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To: sailor4321
Bump AGAINST Waxman and Diaz
76 posted on 10/13/2001 5:21:39 PM PDT by hattend
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To: Heisenburger
I have no problem with banning the export of these guns, just as long as law-abiding Americans can still purchase them.

That's fine but you and I (and everybody else reading this thread) know that people like this won't be satisfied with that.

77 posted on 10/13/2001 9:15:35 PM PDT by americalost
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To: hattend
Mr. Diaz has painted an inaccurate picture...

This comes as a real surprise to me. NOT!!!

Mr. Diaz’ comments have been detrimenal to the reputation of Barrett Firearms. Many of our customers, vendors, families, and friends have read these headlines and now have a negative opinion of our company. Some of our subcontractors have now refused to supply us. This is bad for Barrett and bad for our country.

Sue that scumbag for defamation. The anti-gun dirtballs love to abuse the legal system for their vile ends because they can't get what they want through a vote (unless it is through some scummy backdoor deal). Beat them at their own game.

78 posted on 10/13/2001 9:16:17 PM PDT by Hillary 666
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To: sailor4321


Now I guess we have to ban metal pipes, wood, duct tape, and Mountain Dew!
79 posted on 10/14/2001 1:49:11 AM PDT by VRWC_Member428
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To: Hoosier
Secretary@state.gov
80 posted on 10/14/2001 1:58:29 AM PDT by VaBthang4
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