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Two Men Arrested Near Folsom Dam, (20 miles of Sacramento, Ca.)
KCRA TV, Sacramento, Ca ^ | 11 Oct 2001, update 12 Oct 2001 | KCRA Staff

Posted on 10/12/2001 7:32:58 AM PDT by Grampa Dave

Two Men Arrested Near Folsom Dam, FBI Has Been Notified Posted: 10:40 p.m. PDT October 11, 2001

FOLSOM, Calif. -- The FBI has been notified of the arrests of two men at Folsom Dam.

The men were arrested about 11 p.m. Wednesday night after they were spotted in a restricted area near the Dam.

Both men were placed in the Sacramento County jail.

It's believed that the men were illegally trying to gain access to a fishing location, but officials say that they are taking no chances in this climate of heightened security


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To: SauronOfMordor
You posted, "Let's say you're a mullah, and you have a number of members in your congregation who are not committed enough to do actual sabotage. So you send them off to go to various locations and act suspicious. They get arrested and let go. If you're lucky, they get hassled enough in the process to radicalize them. Meanwhile, you wear out law enforcement with false alarms so that when the real thing comes, they'll be slower to respond!"

You could be correct with this. Look at the "Middle Easterners" staying around the damns/lakes in the Dallas area! These guys were in suits, no tents, went out and bought tents, and the last I heard were still there!

21 posted on 10/12/2001 8:22:50 AM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: Pete
Any update from Miami?
22 posted on 10/12/2001 8:26:02 AM PDT by honway
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To: Grampa Dave
For Immediate Release: To All Military Activities

Coast Guard Switches To MILITEC-1 Weapons Lubricant

(1) On August 28, 2001 RADM H. E. Johnson released ALCOAST 364/01, an advisory authorizing MILITEC-1 (a synthetic gun oil) and Insight (a gun cleaner) to replace the earlier all-in-one product, Mil-Spec CLP (Cleaner, Lubricant, Preservative). This exception to PMS applies to all CG-owned weapons, smaller than .50-caliber.

(2) Justification for this deviation to PMS was for operator safety concerns. Excessive material build-up in the firearm was a contributing factor justifying this advisory.

(3) Federal Law Enforcement agencies began replacing CLP with two separate products starting in 1988. All-in-one products were considered inadequate. Better results were obtained using a cleaner to prepare the weapon and MILITEC-1 to lubricate it. In addition to the Coast Guard, the Federal Agencies listed below currently use this procedure on their weapons. These agencies are aware that other government agencies may contact them as "referenced users" of MILITEC-1. For complete contact information, see page 2.

U.S. Secret Service
Naval Criminal Investigative Service
FBI, Nationwide
U.S. Coast Guard
Drug Enforcement Administration
U.S. Department of State, Worldwide
Immigration & Naturalization Service
Defense Criminal Investigative Service
U.S. Postal Inspectors
U.S. Park Police
Supreme Court of the U.S. Police

(4) Several weapons manufacturers now formally recommend and issue MILITEC-1 to their factory-sponsored Law Enforcement Training Schools and selected weapons customers. These manufacturers include:

Beretta
Sig
Glock
H&K
Springfield
Barrett
Les Baer
Benelli
Knight Armament
The National Rifle Association issues MILITEC-1 to all attendees of their Law Enforcement Schools nation wide.

(5) Our forces are going into one of the most inhospitable terrains on the planet. MILITEC-1 allows small arms to be fired (dry-lubricated) at least one thousand rounds with no build-up of dangerous materials and no sand or debris retention that could cause a failure to fire. This technology was proven during Desert Storm and Kosovo.

Starting with Desert Storm, and in every conflict since, rush shipments of MILITEC-1 have been ordered directly by our forces using their Impac Cards, and also through the Defense Logistics Agency (DLA), which manages MILITEC-1 through its supply system.

In combat, there are no second chances. Ninety-nine percent (99%) reliability is not good enough for small arms. It must be one hundred percent (100%). One jammed weapon is not an option where our troops' lives are concerned. MILITEC-1 can and will enhance the combat readiness and mission capability of our Armed Forces in this time of war.

Website: www.militec-1.com Email: Militec@militec-1.com
22 SEP 01 _________________________________________________________________________________________
Dave a friend emailed this to me. It looks like the Coast Guard is finally catching up.

23 posted on 10/12/2001 8:29:37 AM PDT by B4Ranch
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To: Grampa Dave
Dams are great fishing places. Probably looking for something to but on the barbie for the weekend. This will probably be the worst fishing trip these guys ever had. Talk about geeting skunked.
24 posted on 10/12/2001 8:30:40 AM PDT by Cold Heat
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To: rwt60
LOL!!!
25 posted on 10/12/2001 8:31:17 AM PDT by B4Ranch
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To: wirestripper
Maybe they are just trying to deplete our fish population.

:-)

26 posted on 10/12/2001 8:33:45 AM PDT by aristotleman
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To: wirestripper
We still have to follow the fishing laws, so should they.
27 posted on 10/12/2001 8:37:05 AM PDT by B4Ranch
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To: Scruffdog
You posted, "One of the reasons that fishermen in CA have to wear their licenses in a holder in plain sight is because of these asians. Their old trick was to have one license and then when the wardens would come to check them they would just pass the one around among themselves. They have swarmed into the state and spend most of their time fishing.....illegaly. They keep everything they catch regardless of the size or species and nets are their favorite tackle.

My first exposure to this was about one year after South Viet Nam fell. I belonged to the American Sportsman Club and they had a beautiful ranch access on the ocean up by Rockport. My sons and I loved to go for coastal deer season. Not many deer, but it was cool in August, and the area was loaded with Abalone and mussels. We would go down a rope, wade just a little and get a big Abalone each day and take a bucket down to get mussels. One boy would catch a couple of rock fish. So each night we would have abalone, steamed mussels and a fresh rockfish!

Well, about a year after South Viet Nam fell, we went to this site for our annual August trek. When we got there, we went to our site for abalone, mussels and rock fish.

When we got down the rope, we were stunned. There were zero abalone, not even a baby abalone and not even a single mussel of any size. When the tide got really low, we couldn't find a single mussel or abalone. My son was unable to even get a strike even with a small rockfish.

So we ate soup that evening. The ranch hand came by and I went over to talk to him about the lack of shell fish and fish. I thought that there had been an enviro disaster. He said no. He told me to walk down from our camp site at 10 pm to where he would be in his pickup. He told me to bring a pistol, loaded and ready if needed!

At 10 pm I walked down to where he had his truck parked with no lights and no KGO on his radio that normally would be on. He told me to get in the back of the pick and be quiet with no doors to be opened or slammed. He had a bunch of old sacks on the bed of the truck to deaden any sound.

He drove down to the site where we had gone down the rope to get to the abalone beds. He got out and the interior light had been fixed so not to come on. He put his fingers to his lips to be quiet! He had an AR15 with him and a clip in it. We walked down in the dark to the edge of the little cliff.

When we got there and looked down. I could lights that indicated 3 small boats out about 100 yards. They were fishing, and trying to find abalone and mussels. We watched for about 30 minutes, and he signalled it was time to leave.

We went back to the truck and returned to our camp site. On the way, he said that they were Vietnamese. His son who had served two tours in Nam, went down with him one night and listened to them yelling at each other. He told his dad that they Vietnamese. They had been doing this since March of that month.

I asked if he had notified Fish and Game and the local law enforcement people. He just laughed and said that he came close to getting into trouble by reporting them!

We saw zero deer that trip. On the way out I asked him about that, and he grinned and said that their marines had taken care of the deer at night! We never went back!

28 posted on 10/12/2001 8:49:11 AM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: B4Ranch
Ya....I know, but sneaking into the fishing spots that are off limits is almost a american tradition. Having been around the country a few times I have found that a lot of people do it and the asians are not the biggest violators. However they do do it a lot.
29 posted on 10/12/2001 8:53:47 AM PDT by Cold Heat
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To: B4Ranch
Great post! I wonder if we can buy MILITEC-1 at our local gun shops. I have wondered about Coast Guard weapons in the salty areas.

I intend to buy a few more boxes of double 00 12 gauges shells today. I will check and see if Militec-1 is available.

30 posted on 10/12/2001 8:56:29 AM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: SauronOfMordor
new 'triple s' policy might be beneficial: shoot, shovel and shut up. atf has used variations of it for years against americans.
31 posted on 10/12/2001 8:58:52 AM PDT by Anonymous2
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To: SauronOfMordor; Dustbunny
So you send them off to go to various locations and act suspicious. They get arrested and let go. If you're lucky, they get hassled enough in the process to radicalize them. Meanwhile, you wear out law enforcement with false alarms so that when the real thing comes, they'll be slower to respond

Er....How do you know when the real thing comes along?

Ignoring suspicious people? This same tactic could have been used at the Towers Attack - then how would officials feel?

Frankly, I expect people to do their jobs and report suspicious behavior as the president requested. To ignore anything is setting us up for another attack and plays right into the hands of the terrorists. So what if it is a false alarm - at least we got practice in spotting suspicious people, corralling them, identifying, and investigating suspicious actions.

32 posted on 10/12/2001 9:03:49 AM PDT by ClancyJ
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To: ClancyJ
I agree with you in part. Americans are not exactly used to looking over their shoulder all the time. It will take some time to get used to the situation, but we will adjust fairly quickly.

Next to the Russians we are probably one of the most paranoid societies on the planet. I am a little afraid of a knee jerk reaction, but I'm sure we will work it out. We are now in a different time. We must be defensive and offensive at the same time. That is what war is all about.

33 posted on 10/12/2001 9:15:29 AM PDT by Cold Heat
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To: Grampa Dave
I asked if he had notified Fish and Game and the local law enforcement people. He just laughed and said that he came close to getting into trouble by reporting them!

Is this a good example of political correctness?

34 posted on 10/12/2001 9:25:13 AM PDT by Mark17
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To: Grampa Dave
Thanks for the report. Anyone hear about 40+ people ill in hawaii?
35 posted on 10/12/2001 9:25:38 AM PDT by buffyt
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To: Grampa Dave
I get it from a local guy in Reno. Try emailing the company 1st. They should be able to tell you where the closest store is, I would think.
36 posted on 10/12/2001 9:29:12 AM PDT by B4Ranch
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To: Scruffdog
Sd posted, "One of the reasons that fishermen in CA have to wear their licenses in a holder in plain sight is because of these asians."

The first couple of years, F&G really enforced this law of wearing your license in sight above your waist.

Then the PC judges and ACLUers stopped them from using this tool because it was like racial profiling! If a now white male didn't show the license, F&G were basically told not to check these guys unless they had a violation that was observed or reported!

This was driven home to me 4 years ago on two rivers and different game wardens in different parts of the state.

The first time I was shad fishing in a line. I was wearing my license on the top of my waders. I have a lifetime license so each year's paper license is printed out on a computer printer. They are very obvious in a holder, as only about 4,000 of us have these computer printed licenses. The other million or so have the info filled in by hand.

Yet when I came up, I was challenged by a warden to show my license. I looked at him as said it was showing, and he knew damn well that I was a lifetime license holder. I even had the patch on my fishing vest.

I brought up the fact that he had not stopped non English speaking fishers with what appeared to be just plain yellow paper in their license holders. He said that he would arrest me if I didn't take my license out of its holder and show it to him. I refused and took my plastic lifetime license out of my billfold and handed it to him and said be my guest, arrest me. I would love to take this to the courts! He handed me my plastic license and left with no other words. Several licensed fishers of all races on their way to their cars asked what had happened. They were all outraged!

That was during the week. That weekend my son and I went to another river in another county to shad fish. The river below a temporary damn had about 9 signs, orange balls and other markers saying in English and Spanish not to fish upstream of that line/marker to protect spawning fish!

My son and I were the only ones in group of 12 down stream of the no fishing area. 10 fishers with no name tags, speaking Russian, Spanish and some Arabic language were fishing in the no fishing area with no licenses showing!

Then across the river, a Fish and Game warden gets out with a bull horn. In Spanish and English he tells all of those fishing to get downstream of the markers! Being really polite they got down stream and crowded my son and I out of the fishing line.

We went to the bank. I handed my rod to my son and said that I would be back. He knew what I was doing, and said "Dad, just forget it!"

I got into my Bronco and drove up to the bridge, which was about 1/4 mile upstream and crossed the Bridge and headed down stream to where the F&G guy was coming out. I blocked his Bronco with my Bronco and got out!

He got out and had his hand on his Glock and told me to stop. I said BS and walked up to him and handed him my license. He said what was that for. I said why should I and my son wear these damn things when he didn't even come to the fishing side to arrest the illegal fishers who didn't have a license.

He shook his head and handed me back my license. He said that if he arrested or cited, Juan, Boris, or Joe Camel. By the time the weekend was over, they would have moved and became Jose, Petervitch and Allah Camel. Then if they came to court, the local PC Judge would accuse him of focusing on non Americans!

I apologized and shook his hand and shook my head! Here was a guy who wanted to do his job and was not being allowed to do it. When I got back to the other side. My son meet me at the side of the road. He had stopped fishing and taken down our fly rods and put them in their cases. I looked down at the river, and half of the illegals were back above the marker fishing, and the other half were where I was. They were killing everything they caught in a no kill zone! He said, lets go have lunch and just go home!

37 posted on 10/12/2001 9:29:50 AM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: Grampa Dave
You have explained why I quit fishing in California decades ago. I don't carry enough ammunition to kill all this garbage.
38 posted on 10/12/2001 9:38:38 AM PDT by B4Ranch
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To: Mark17
I asked if he had notified Fish and Game and the local law enforcement people. He just laughed and said that he came close to getting into trouble by reporting them!

Is this a good example of political correctness?"

Yes, this eventually became pc. What happened then was part of a deal that our CIA/State Dept had made with the Vietnamese, Mungs and other SE Asians. Since many made their living as fishers, CIA/State in secret memos told various Fish And Game depts on the West Coast, law enforcement people and judges to just forget enforcing fish and game laws on these people! Later it became PC.

Fortunately some violations got so bad and so dangerous that this bs has been suspended!

39 posted on 10/12/2001 9:42:02 AM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: been_lurking
This is less than 2 miles from my house. I was also at the airport last night picking up the wife and there were numerous cameras doing live feeds at the 10 and 11pm news, gauging reaction to GWB's press conference. I didn't get home in time to see this story (thank God for FR!). As long as the response to the game warden's obvious question inquiring where their fishing poles were wasn't: "Over there in our chemical tanker truck", I won't get too alarmed/paranoid about it. Folks sneak into the lake area all the time. Heck, me and a bunch of friends used to as well. I'll stay tuned to local news and report if anything devlops.
40 posted on 10/12/2001 9:48:33 AM PDT by ScottinSacto
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