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OUR LADY AND ISLAM: HEAVEN’S PEACE PLAN
http://www.ewtn.com/library/MARY/OLISLAM.HTM ^ | September - October 2001 | Fr Ladis J. Cizik, Blue Army National Executive Director

Posted on 10/09/2001 8:21:36 PM PDT by Diago

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To: Diago
Knowing that the Christian forces were at a distinct material disadvantage, the holy pontiff, St. Pope Pius V called for all of Europe to pray the Rosary for victory.

Not a particularly accurate description of the Battle of Lepanto. The two sides were pretty equal in numbers, but the Christians had greatly superior firepower. They used the newfangled firearms to a much greater extent, while the Turks depended on the old-fashioned composite bow.

41 posted on 10/14/2001 6:27:34 PM PDT by Restorer
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To: sola gracia
But I am sure that even you were Baptised by a third person, and go to Church services preached by a third person. While it is certainly that true Christ is the only way to the Father, it is false in the sense that you use it. If it were true in your sense of the words, why would you or anyone else need a Pastor, or even the bible for that matter
42 posted on 10/14/2001 6:28:03 PM PDT by HapaxLegamenon
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To: HapaxLegamenon; sola gracia
But I am sure that even you were Baptised by a third person, and go to Church services preached by a third person. While it is certainly that true Christ is the only way to the Father, it is false in the sense that you use it. If it were true in your sense of the words, why would you or anyone else need a Pastor, or even the bible for that matter.

What is the role of the "third person" in salvation and Spiritual Baptism?

1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,...

43 posted on 10/14/2001 6:41:01 PM PDT by CCWoody
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To: CCWoody
1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,...

One of my favorite scriptures..It answers all questions on how one approaches the throne of God....

44 posted on 10/14/2001 8:31:58 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: Restorer
Not a particularly accurate description of the Battle of Lepanto.

Don Juan, of course, appreciated that ramming would be less effective than gunfire. Let's not, however, forget a "Christian" shift in the wind at a critical moment.

45 posted on 10/14/2001 8:38:55 PM PDT by RobbyS
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To: CCWoody
But a countless number of mediators between Jesus and us, including my mother and father, or so I believe.
46 posted on 10/14/2001 8:40:56 PM PDT by RobbyS
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To: RobbyS
The Christian fleet's biggest advantage was a number of huge (for the time) Venetian ships that were able to mount heavy artillery. They did a dandy job of smashing up the lightly-built Turkish galleys. There is also some indication that internal Turkish feuds caused at least one Turkish commander to hang back and allow a rival to be defeated.
47 posted on 10/14/2001 8:42:22 PM PDT by Restorer
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To: TrueBeliever9
"In the Koran, the holy name of the Blessed Virgin Mary is mentioned no less than thirty times. No other woman's name is even mentioned, not even that of Mohammed's daughter, Fatima. Among men, only Abraham, Moses, and Noah are mentioned more times than Our Lady. In the Koran, Our Blessed Mother is described as "Virgin, ever Virgin." The Islamic belief in the virginity of Mary puts to shame the heretical beliefs of those who call themselves Christian, while denying the perpetual virginity of Mary. Make no mistake about it, there is a very special relationship between the Blessed Virgin Mary and the Moslems!"

Good grief! So Catholics are all excited about the imaginary ramblings of Mohammed's daughter - Fatima? Geesh. Seem like Catholics have more in common with Muslims that Christians. Especially when you compare how intolerant Catholics were to Christians during the Crusades and the Inquisition.

The Bible makes NO claim that Mary was a "perpetual" virgin. Zilcho. This is another man made claim. Mary was blessed AMONGST many women. She was strictly a vessel for the birth of Jesus. Nothing more. Catholicism is not Christian so the beliefs etc. will not reflect the teachings of God and later Jesus.

Today it is genuine Christians and Jews that will continue to be hated for His names sake.

48 posted on 10/14/2001 8:52:47 PM PDT by nmh
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To: OHelix
#3, indeed the Bible does say alot about the queen of heaven and none of it is good.

Jer.7;18

[18] The children gather wood, and the fathers kindle the fire, and the women knead their dough, to make cakes to the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto other gods, that they may provoke me to anger.
Jer.44:17-25

[17] But we will certainly do whatsoever thing goeth forth out of our own mouth, to burn incense unto the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto her, as we have done, we, and our fathers, our kings, and our princes, in the cities of Judah, and in the streets of Jerusalem: for then had we plenty of victuals, and were well, and saw no evil.

[18] But since we left off to burn incense to the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto her, we have wanted all things, and have been consumed by the sword and by the famine.

[19] And when we burned incense to the queen of heaven, and poured out drink offerings unto her, did we make her cakes to worship her, and pour out drink offerings unto her, without our men?

[25] Thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel, saying; Ye and your wives have both spoken with your mouths, and fulfilled with your hand, saying, We will surely perform our vows that we have vowed, to burn incense to the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto her: ye will surely accomplish your vows, and surely perform your vows.

Read on for the ful extent of the Judeo-Christian God and His anger at this idoltry. Marianoloy, worshipping Mary, praying to ber ... all for naught. God views it as a distraction and another idol. It pisses Him off. Yet, Catholics will continue to disobey Him. What the Bible says doesn't matter to them. It is that of another Gospel that they follow and certainly NOT Christian.

49 posted on 10/14/2001 8:59:12 PM PDT by nmh
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To: nmh
Catholicism is not Christian so the beliefs etc. will not reflect the teachings of God and later Jesus.

What gives you the right to say what is Chistian, ypur whose teachingsr are contrary to the opinion of the great majority of Christians throughout the centuries. Claims that you and you alone rightly read the Scriptures is merely that, a claim. To put it simply: Fellow, that's YOUR opinion! I see it differently.

50 posted on 10/14/2001 9:04:31 PM PDT by RobbyS
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To: nmh
Ahhhh. The bigot is back again.
51 posted on 10/14/2001 9:12:12 PM PDT by peabers
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To: TrueBeliever9
The Moslems took The Law of YHWY and totally perverted it! How clever of Satan, he knows what buttons to push!

I think it's great if anything can get them to convert and give up their hate and ignorance. As it is now, I don't think they believe in the God of Abraham who led the Jews into Israel and gave them that homeland. Only God's opposite would insist the Jews be driven out of Israel. Same with the Jews being the Chosen people, the Muslims have made them the Targeted people.

52 posted on 10/14/2001 9:12:18 PM PDT by FITZ
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To: RobbyS; RnMomof7; Jerry_M
But a countless number of mediators between Jesus and us, including my mother and father, or so I believe.

Well, your personal beliefs are irrelavent! The verse which I quote clearly contradicts what you personally believe: there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus. My Lord Jesus is God and the only mediator.

From Websters: Mediator - One who serves to reconcile.
For your beliefs to be correct, it must be assumed that your parents for instance have the power to present you to Christ for salvation. They do not and scripture is against you:
No man can come to Me unless the Father who hath sent Me draw him; and I will raise him up at the Last Day.
So, what is it that you think your parents can do for you for either your salvation or sanctification?
53 posted on 10/15/2001 5:58:50 AM PDT by CCWoody
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To: FITZ
I think it's great if anything can get them to convert and give up their hate and ignorance.

Ahhh, but scripture teaches that there is only One way that they will convert:

No man can come to Me unless the Father who hath sent Me draw him; and I will raise him up at the Last Day.

All that the Father giveth Me shall come to Me, and him that cometh to Me I will in no wise cast out.

And this is the Father's will who hath sent Me, that of all which He hath given Me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the Last Day.

So, telling heretical stories about Our Lady and Islam is nothing more than man made distortion of the Gospel. The Good News is that God has it under control and that He is pleased to save all His children and only His children.
54 posted on 10/15/2001 6:06:57 AM PDT by CCWoody
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To: nmh
Today it is genuine Christians and Jews that will continue to be hated for His names sake.

I assume you mean Jews converted by God to faith in Jesus Christ as [Thomas put it] "my Lord and my God".

It is not as though the Word of God hath taken no effect. For they are not all Israel, who are of Israel; neither because they are the seed of Abraham are they all children; but, "In Isaac shall thy seed be called." That is, they who are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God; rather, the children of the promise are counted as the seed.

55 posted on 10/15/2001 8:08:26 AM PDT by CCWoody
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To: Diago
"Islam" is the imperative (that is, the form for telling someone to do something) form of the verb "aslama", which means "submit" in English.

I am getting really tired of self important bleeding hearts who have never studied one foreign language, much less Arabic, getting this wrong. If a genuine Muslim with any knowledge of Arabic (a requirement by the way for any serious believer as the Quran is supposed to be read and understood in the original) says this THEY ARE LYING !

Why am I not surprised.

56 posted on 10/15/2001 8:16:20 AM PDT by katana
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To: nmh
Opps! It just occured to me what you meant. You are correct also about even the un-converted Jews.
57 posted on 10/15/2001 8:23:40 AM PDT by CCWoody
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To: Impeach the Boy; RnMomof7; Jerry_M
Christ said there is neither male nor female but we would be like angels.

It would be helpful for those of us who have no idea why you believe this if you quoted a scripture passage. Otherwise, I can dismiss this as you putting words in God's mouth.

58 posted on 10/15/2001 8:33:58 AM PDT by CCWoody
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To: CCWoody
The verse which I quote clearly contradicts what you personally believe: there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus. My Lord Jesus is God and the only mediator.

Why don't you try reading the whole chapter, instead of constructing a false theology on one verse ripped out of context?

The whole of 2 Tm is a plea for, get this, intercessory prayer by all Christians on behalf of the whole world! Wait, uh, why do Christians need to pray for anyone -- especially other Christians -- if Jesus is the "only mediator"?

Better question: why does Paul himself ask for intercessory prayer on his behalf in a number of places in the Scripture?

A clue is that the word translated "one" is not the Greek monos, meaning "one and only one," but heis, meaning "one, unique, or primary". In other words, in claiming that nobody mediates except Jesus, you are making an assertion that is not supported by the actual Greek text, and which contradicts both the context of that verse and many other Scripture passages.

That having been said, it is true that Jesus is our only mediator with the Father. The task of Christians is to mediate or intercede for others with Jesus. That is precisely what Christians do for one another when they pray for each other, and it is precisely what the saints in heaven, including Mary, do for the saints on earth.

Our position is Scriptural. Yours is not.

59 posted on 10/15/2001 8:35:01 AM PDT by Campion
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To: nmh
Goodness! Your anti-Catholic bigotry and your hostile tone are perplexing. What makes you so angry? By the way, all of your biblical references to the "queen of heaven" are from the Old Testament; Mary wasn't even born yet. To clear up your misconception, Catholics do not "worship" Mary, they do not view her on equal footing with Jesus, and they do not see her as the WAY to God, since Jesus Christ is the Truth, the Light, and the Way. Mary is revered as Jesus's mother, she is honored, but she is not worshiped. Your bitterness must be tough to live with. CT too
60 posted on 10/15/2001 8:55:07 AM PDT by CT
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