Posted on 10/09/2001 8:21:36 PM PDT by Diago
Not a particularly accurate description of the Battle of Lepanto. The two sides were pretty equal in numbers, but the Christians had greatly superior firepower. They used the newfangled firearms to a much greater extent, while the Turks depended on the old-fashioned composite bow.
What is the role of the "third person" in salvation and Spiritual Baptism?
1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,...
One of my favorite scriptures..It answers all questions on how one approaches the throne of God....
Don Juan, of course, appreciated that ramming would be less effective than gunfire. Let's not, however, forget a "Christian" shift in the wind at a critical moment.
Good grief! So Catholics are all excited about the imaginary ramblings of Mohammed's daughter - Fatima? Geesh. Seem like Catholics have more in common with Muslims that Christians. Especially when you compare how intolerant Catholics were to Christians during the Crusades and the Inquisition.
The Bible makes NO claim that Mary was a "perpetual" virgin. Zilcho. This is another man made claim. Mary was blessed AMONGST many women. She was strictly a vessel for the birth of Jesus. Nothing more. Catholicism is not Christian so the beliefs etc. will not reflect the teachings of God and later Jesus.
Today it is genuine Christians and Jews that will continue to be hated for His names sake.
Jer.7;18
[18] The children gather wood, and the fathers kindle the fire, and the women knead their dough, to make cakes to the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto other gods, that they may provoke me to anger.
Jer.44:17-25
[17] But we will certainly do whatsoever thing goeth forth out of our own mouth, to burn incense unto the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto her, as we have done, we, and our fathers, our kings, and our princes, in the cities of Judah, and in the streets of Jerusalem: for then had we plenty of victuals, and were well, and saw no evil.
[18] But since we left off to burn incense to the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto her, we have wanted all things, and have been consumed by the sword and by the famine.
[19] And when we burned incense to the queen of heaven, and poured out drink offerings unto her, did we make her cakes to worship her, and pour out drink offerings unto her, without our men?
[25] Thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel, saying; Ye and your wives have both spoken with your mouths, and fulfilled with your hand, saying, We will surely perform our vows that we have vowed, to burn incense to the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto her: ye will surely accomplish your vows, and surely perform your vows.
Read on for the ful extent of the Judeo-Christian God and His anger at this idoltry. Marianoloy, worshipping Mary, praying to ber ... all for naught. God views it as a distraction and another idol. It pisses Him off. Yet, Catholics will continue to disobey Him. What the Bible says doesn't matter to them. It is that of another Gospel that they follow and certainly NOT Christian.
What gives you the right to say what is Chistian, ypur whose teachingsr are contrary to the opinion of the great majority of Christians throughout the centuries. Claims that you and you alone rightly read the Scriptures is merely that, a claim. To put it simply: Fellow, that's YOUR opinion! I see it differently.
I think it's great if anything can get them to convert and give up their hate and ignorance. As it is now, I don't think they believe in the God of Abraham who led the Jews into Israel and gave them that homeland. Only God's opposite would insist the Jews be driven out of Israel. Same with the Jews being the Chosen people, the Muslims have made them the Targeted people.
Well, your personal beliefs are irrelavent! The verse which I quote clearly contradicts what you personally believe: there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus. My Lord Jesus is God and the only mediator.
From Websters: Mediator - One who serves to reconcile.For your beliefs to be correct, it must be assumed that your parents for instance have the power to present you to Christ for salvation. They do not and scripture is against you:
No man can come to Me unless the Father who hath sent Me draw him; and I will raise him up at the Last Day.So, what is it that you think your parents can do for you for either your salvation or sanctification?
Ahhh, but scripture teaches that there is only One way that they will convert:
No man can come to Me unless the Father who hath sent Me draw him; and I will raise him up at the Last Day.So, telling heretical stories about Our Lady and Islam is nothing more than man made distortion of the Gospel. The Good News is that God has it under control and that He is pleased to save all His children and only His children.All that the Father giveth Me shall come to Me, and him that cometh to Me I will in no wise cast out.
And this is the Father's will who hath sent Me, that of all which He hath given Me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the Last Day.
I assume you mean Jews converted by God to faith in Jesus Christ as [Thomas put it] "my Lord and my God".
It is not as though the Word of God hath taken no effect. For they are not all Israel, who are of Israel; neither because they are the seed of Abraham are they all children; but, "In Isaac shall thy seed be called." That is, they who are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God; rather, the children of the promise are counted as the seed.
I am getting really tired of self important bleeding hearts who have never studied one foreign language, much less Arabic, getting this wrong. If a genuine Muslim with any knowledge of Arabic (a requirement by the way for any serious believer as the Quran is supposed to be read and understood in the original) says this THEY ARE LYING !
Why am I not surprised.
It would be helpful for those of us who have no idea why you believe this if you quoted a scripture passage. Otherwise, I can dismiss this as you putting words in God's mouth.
Why don't you try reading the whole chapter, instead of constructing a false theology on one verse ripped out of context?
The whole of 2 Tm is a plea for, get this, intercessory prayer by all Christians on behalf of the whole world! Wait, uh, why do Christians need to pray for anyone -- especially other Christians -- if Jesus is the "only mediator"?
Better question: why does Paul himself ask for intercessory prayer on his behalf in a number of places in the Scripture?
A clue is that the word translated "one" is not the Greek monos, meaning "one and only one," but heis, meaning "one, unique, or primary". In other words, in claiming that nobody mediates except Jesus, you are making an assertion that is not supported by the actual Greek text, and which contradicts both the context of that verse and many other Scripture passages.
That having been said, it is true that Jesus is our only mediator with the Father. The task of Christians is to mediate or intercede for others with Jesus. That is precisely what Christians do for one another when they pray for each other, and it is precisely what the saints in heaven, including Mary, do for the saints on earth.
Our position is Scriptural. Yours is not.
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