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To: CCWoody
The verse which I quote clearly contradicts what you personally believe: there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus. My Lord Jesus is God and the only mediator.

Why don't you try reading the whole chapter, instead of constructing a false theology on one verse ripped out of context?

The whole of 2 Tm is a plea for, get this, intercessory prayer by all Christians on behalf of the whole world! Wait, uh, why do Christians need to pray for anyone -- especially other Christians -- if Jesus is the "only mediator"?

Better question: why does Paul himself ask for intercessory prayer on his behalf in a number of places in the Scripture?

A clue is that the word translated "one" is not the Greek monos, meaning "one and only one," but heis, meaning "one, unique, or primary". In other words, in claiming that nobody mediates except Jesus, you are making an assertion that is not supported by the actual Greek text, and which contradicts both the context of that verse and many other Scripture passages.

That having been said, it is true that Jesus is our only mediator with the Father. The task of Christians is to mediate or intercede for others with Jesus. That is precisely what Christians do for one another when they pray for each other, and it is precisely what the saints in heaven, including Mary, do for the saints on earth.

Our position is Scriptural. Yours is not.

59 posted on 10/15/2001 8:35:01 AM PDT by Campion
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To: Campion; Jerry_M
Why don't you try reading the whole chapter, instead of constructing a false theology on one verse ripped out of context?

I have and I will again. However, you have not addressed the other scriptures which support my correct Biblical position. So, I am not denying prayer of intercession on behalf of the Elect, but my question and my position still stands. God, chooses His own, not man. What can any person do to effect, that is cause the salvation of another?

That having been said, it is true that Jesus is our only mediator with the Father. The task of Christians is to mediate or intercede for others with Jesus. That is precisely what Christians do for one another when they pray for each other, and it is precisely what the saints in heaven, including Mary, do for the saints on earth.

Should they seek the dead on behalf of the Living. I'd rather have Jesus, my Lord, pray for me:

I pray for them; I pray not for the world, but for them whom Thou hast given Me, for they are Thine. And all Mine are Thine, and Thine are Mine, and I am glorified in them.

62 posted on 10/15/2001 9:00:15 AM PDT by CCWoody
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