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To: JHavard, angelo
angeloI have presumed that Christians believe that Jesus was God. In light of some of the answers you've gotten to this question, I guess I'll have to revisit my thinking on this subject.

Oh cool, now we can have a Monophysite/Arian/Dyophysite discussion!

JHavardWhen God determined that to save mankind he would have to literally become one of us, he knew that Satan would say, "sure you can overcome temptation if you have an unfair advantage, but take away your full God ship and be as them, and we'll see how good you do in the same circumstances.

He could be tempted yes, but being God he was never in danger of sinning. God, of course, cannot sin.

17 posted on 10/09/2001 5:56:15 PM PDT by Pelayo
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To: Pelayo
He could be tempted yes, but being God he was never in danger of sinning. God, of course, cannot sin.

So you feel their was no risk involved, no chance what so ever of failure. Unlike Job when God gave him over to Satan to do as he pretty well pleased, would you say Job had no chance of failure? Satan would have really balked if he had known it was a set up, and God already knew the results.

Christ understood the importance of his mission, and he never treated it like it was a shoo-in, if he knew he couldn't fail, why the following verses?

Jn 17:4 I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.
V-5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.

If he was still the infinite God, why did he ask his Father to restore the glory he once had.

Lk 22:42 Saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done.
V-43 And there appeared an angel unto him from heaven, strengthening him.

Did the infinite God need strengthend?

Mk 14:35 And he went forward a little, and fell on the ground, and prayed that, if it were possible, the hour might pass from him.
V-36 And he said, Abba, Father, all things are possible unto thee; take away this cup from me: nevertheless not what I will, but what thou wilt.

.Mt 26:42 He went away again the second time, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if this cup may not pass away from me, except I drink it, thy will be done.

Does this sound like Jesus had no concerns about the coming day?

If he was full God at this time, was it the physical Jesus that was in pain and asked, if their was any way to avoid this, to please do so, and if he was 100% God, he could care less what they did, because he could simply block out all pain at any time.

Simply saying that he was 100% God, and 100% man is offering no proof, but simply making a statement that sounds good.

No one knows for sure how God worked this out, but there is a lot more proof that God became a Man Jesus, and gave up his divinity for 33 or so years, and had no advantages that any man who had a good Godly background of his day had, except he had the Holy Spirit that he now has given us, and he had to become more and more aware of his past life as his Spirit strenghtend and grew.

One more thing, please explain this if he was 100% God.

Mk 6:4 But Jesus, said unto them, A prophet is not without honour, but in his own country, and among his own kin, and in his own house. 5. And he could there do no mighty work, save that he laid his hands upon a few sick folk, and healed them. 6. And he marvelled because of their unbelief. And he went round about the villages, teaching.

20 posted on 10/09/2001 7:42:22 PM PDT by JHavard
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To: Pelayo
He could be tempted yes, but being God he was never in danger of sinning.

If what your say is true, that wouldn't be a true temptation at all. but just sort of an acting out of a play. That would be a silly and frivolous thing for God to do, don't you think? It also makes the Bible seem like lies, since it says he was truly tempted in all ways, and yet did not sin.

22 posted on 10/09/2001 7:52:23 PM PDT by Iowegian
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To: Pelayo
Oh cool, now we can have a Monophysite/Arian/Dyophysite discussion!

I know that some of you like to package everyone up in your neat little acronyms because then you don't have to deal with the individual, just the name in your encyclopedia that you can copy and paste arguments to, but you can't put me in your cookie mold, what I believe I have learned from my private studies, and from no one else.

I can always be wrong, and I have been before, but these are not salvation questions, but they reflect our personal studies, guided by the Holy Spirit, and that does not mean I can never be wrong, simply different.

23 posted on 10/09/2001 7:55:56 PM PDT by JHavard
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