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This is Islam. This is not a religion one should embrace.
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Posted on 10/09/2001 6:19:22 AM PDT by theoutsideman

STRIKE THE HEADS AND EVERY FINGERTIP OF THE UNBELIEVERS 008.012 YUSUFALI: Remember thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): "I am with you: give firmness to the Believers: I will instil terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them." PICKTHAL: When thy Lord inspired the angels, (saying): I am with you. So make those who believe stand firm. I will throw fear into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Then smite the necks and smite of them each finger. SHAKIR: When your Lord revealed to the angels: I am with you, therefore make firm those who believe. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them. [http://www.hraic.org/quran/2.html [NOTE; This copy of the Koran offers three different translations] 8: 13. When thy Lord revealed to the angels, saying, `I am with you; so make firm those who believe. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Smite them above their necks, and smite off all finger-tips.' 8: 14. That is because they have opposed ALLAH and HIS Messenger. And whoso opposes ALLAH and HIS Messenger, Then ALLAH is surely Severe in retribution. [The Holy Quran, translated by Maulvi Sher Ali, http://www.concordance.com/cgi-bin/2wrdr.pl] 47: 5. And when you meet in regular battle those who disbelieve, smite their necks; and, when you have overcome them, by causing great slaughter among them, bind fast the fetters - then afterwards either release them as a favour or by taking ransom - until the war lays down its burdens. That is the ordinance. And if ALLAH had so pleased, HE could have punished them Himself, but HE has willed that HE may try some of you by others. And those who are killed in the way of ALLAH - HE will never render their works vain. [Ibid.] KILL THEM WHEREVER YOU FIND THEM 002.191 YUSUFALI: And slay them wherever ye catch them, and turn them out from where they have Turned you out; for tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter; but fight them not at the Sacred Mosque, unless they (first) fight you there; but if they fight you, slay them. Such is the reward of those who suppress faith. PICKTHAL: And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution is worse than slaughter. And fight not with them at the Inviolable Place of Worship until they first attack you there, but if they attack you (there) then slay them. Such is the reward of disbelievers. SHAKIR: And kill them wherever you find them, and drive them out from whence they drove you out, and persecution is severer than slaughter, and do not fight with them at the Sacred Mosque until they fight with you in it, but if they do fight you, then slay them; such is the recompense of the unbelievers. [http://www.hraic.org/quran/2.html [NOTE; This copy of the Koran offers three different translations] CONVERSION BY THE SWORD - REPENT OR DIE 009.005 YUSUFALI: But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, an seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practise regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful. PICKTHAL: Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush. But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then leave their way free. Lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful. SHAKIR: So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them; surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful. [Emphasis added] [http://www.hraic.org/quran/2.html [NOTE; This copy of the Koran offers three different translations] WAR AGAINST CHRISTIANS "Make war upon such of those to whom the Scriptures have been given as believe not in God, or in the last day, and who forbid not that which God and His Apostle have forbidden, and who profess not the profession of the truth, until they pay tribute out of hand, and they be humbled. The Jews say, 'Ezra (Ozair) is a son of God'; and the Christians say, 'The Messiah is a son of God'. Such the sayings in their mouths! They resemble the sayings of the Infidels of old! God do battle with them! How are they misguided!..He it is who hath sent His Apostle with the Guidance and a religion of the truth, that He may make it victorious over every other religion, albeit they who assign partners to God be averse from it." (Sura 9:29-33). Also translated thusly: 9: 29. Fight those from among the people of the Book, who believe not in ALLAH, nor in the Last Day, nor hold as unlawful what ALLAH and HIS Messenger have declared to be unlawful, nor follow the true religion, until they pay the tax considering it a favour and acknowledge their subjection. 9: 30. And the Jews say, `Ezra is the son of ALLAH,' and the Christians say, `the Messiah is the son of ALLAH;' that is what they say with their mouths. They only imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before them. ALLAH's curse be on them ! How they are turned away. http://www.concordance.com/cgi-bin/1wrdr.pl] "Believers! wage war against such of the infidels as are your neighbours, and let them find you rigorous: and know that God is with those who fear him." (Sura 9:124). "O Prophet! make war on the infidels and hypocrites, and deal rigorously with them. Hell shall be their abode! and wretched the passage to it!" (Sura 66:9). These above are the words of the Koran. THESE ARE THE WORDS OF JESUS CHRIST -- HOW TO TREAT AN ENEMY "Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy. But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you." [Matthew 5:43-44; Emphasis added] These instructions to love is one reason Jesus' message is called the Good News, i.e., the Gospel.


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To: billbears
"You have time to post, you have time to format. It really isn't that hard. And, no need for calling people names "

oh no, all this "smiting" won't format my harddrive again will it?
darn, darn, darn; not again...

21 posted on 10/09/2001 7:04:37 AM PDT by hoot2
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To: Lunatic Fringe
You're right, but people are blinded by their own self rightious attitudes and hatred.
22 posted on 10/09/2001 7:06:10 AM PDT by Modconserv
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To: hoot2
oh no, all this "smiting" won't format my harddrive again will it?

No, but the formatting may smite it.

23 posted on 10/09/2001 7:08:01 AM PDT by Focault's Pendulum
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To: Lunatic Fringe
Wow! I'll ignore the hundred's of news stories from around the world detailing how Muslims kill, torture and imprison Christians, and I'll believe you because...a guy named lunatic fringe says so? Good point. We give. Muslims are peaceful. Really, nothing to see here, move on.
24 posted on 10/09/2001 7:08:02 AM PDT by Republic of Texas
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To: Publius6961
JIHAD in The West Muslim Conquests from the 7th to the 21st Centuries, by Paul Fregosi, Prometheus Books, 1998.

On Oprah's reading list of course? Probably banned in Boston, or at least at Harvard.

25 posted on 10/09/2001 7:08:09 AM PDT by RobbyS
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To: Lunatic Fringe
"I will spare you the equally horrific, hateful verses of the Holy Bible.

Let's hear it, bring it on!

26 posted on 10/09/2001 7:09:18 AM PDT by slouper
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To: theoutsideman
wehavenotimetoreadyour3rdgradeattemptatcuttingandpasting moron (I have no time for punctuation just for YOU)
27 posted on 10/09/2001 7:10:23 AM PDT by Republic of Texas
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To: Publius6961
Your post #12...good to bring up the "Crusader" thing, but President Bush wasn't president in 1998. There was a pretender in the Oval Office, name of Bull Clintoon, I think.
28 posted on 10/09/2001 7:11:29 AM PDT by cake_crumb
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To: billbears
>>...You would think the smiting above the neck would do the trick. ...<<

Unless they went TOO far above the neck.

29 posted on 10/09/2001 7:11:40 AM PDT by FReepaholic
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To: AppyPappy
Obviously, so is formatting.

War is hell.

Lack of formatting is worse.

30 posted on 10/09/2001 7:11:51 AM PDT by Lazamataz
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To: Focault's Pendulum
OK, the formating request was not to insult you...I imagine, but to state that long documents filled with data are difficult to follow. Also it is reacting what can be construde as a diatribe against other people's beliefs when one's own can be scrutinized in a similar fashion I think it's wonderful when people follow theologies of LOVE, JUSTICE and SERVICE to GOD and MANKIND. I find that both Cristianity and Islam clearly has these points. Let's not feed to hatred frenzy, please. No insults please.
31 posted on 10/09/2001 7:16:48 AM PDT by Modconserv
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To: theoutsideman
If anybody considers for a moment, they can see how phony this Moslem god "Allah" is. If he was the God of Heaven, he would say, in effect, "Shut up! Stand back, and see the power of the Lord!"

This phony god "Allah" requires mere humans to fight his battles for him as though he couldn't take care of the likes of us puny mortals himself.

32 posted on 10/09/2001 7:17:02 AM PDT by nightdriver
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To: Lunatic Fringe
I will spare you the equally horrific, hateful verses of the Holy Bible.

Well, since Islam is based on the teachings from Judaism and Christianity as well as Mohammed, all this means is: take all the horrific, hateful verses from the Bible, and then add a whole new layer of violence, threat, and oppression, and you have Islam.

Yeah, that's something to brag about.

33 posted on 10/09/2001 7:19:47 AM PDT by Anamensis
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To: theoutsideman Ankaboot
Formatting please? Does anyone know what happened to ankaboot?
34 posted on 10/09/2001 7:20:54 AM PDT by gjenkins
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To: Modconserv
OK, the formating request was not to insult you..

I'm not insulted. I didn't post the article.

35 posted on 10/09/2001 7:28:38 AM PDT by Focault's Pendulum
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To: Modconserv
The Dark ages of Christianity happened when the Bible was only readable by a few Latin Scholars, thus the people were easily led to do things that were not in accordance with the Bible. Since the Bible was written in the common language of the people and they had easy access to it, there have been no crusades or inquisitions. The koran is easily read by their followers. In fact it has been the most educated countries that have led in jihad against the west and Israel. So the argument does not work. When there is a call for a crusade from the Christians in the next few months then you would have an argument.
36 posted on 10/09/2001 7:29:13 AM PDT by Lady Heron
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To: theoutsideman
Muhammad didn't believe Jesus was the Son of God. Therefore, I consider Muhammad a false prophet. This would make Islam a bad religion.
37 posted on 10/09/2001 7:30:46 AM PDT by boycott
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To: Silas
Thank you so much.

Anti-Islamic propaganda (serious analyses of Islamic doctrine) is hard to find in these politically correct days, but oddly enough you can get it in India and some of it is available free on the internet, such as at the Hindu Unity website.

38 posted on 10/09/2001 7:39:14 AM PDT by DonQ
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To: Lunatic Fringe
I dare you to bring up any thing like this. Find one verse in the new testament that tells cristians to kill muslems or islems. The No Name
39 posted on 10/09/2001 7:39:17 AM PDT by solonemo
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To: theoutsideman
Who is Ezra (Ozair)? This passage makes reference to someone unfamiliar, unless it denotes the rather minor prophet Ezra ( next to Nehemia) who scolded the Jews for marrying pagan women...Certainly he never took on a divine status.
40 posted on 10/09/2001 7:48:05 AM PDT by Mamzelle
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