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RUSSIAN "ROCKET" TORPEDO ARMS CHINESE SUBS
Newsmax/Softwar ^ | 4/24/2001 & 10/8/2001 | Charles R. Smith

Posted on 10/08/2001 4:56:04 PM PDT by Fighting Irish

Russia has developed new submarine-launched torpedos that travel at incredible speeds – perhaps as fast as the speed of sound underwater.

Scientific American reports in its May edition that these supersophisticated weapons have been linked to the sinking of the Russian submarine Kursk last August, and even to the arrest and imprisonment of Edmond Pope.

Pope, an American businessman, was charged by Russian authorities with spying, specifically that he had sought to buy plans for the "ultrahigh-speed torpedo."

The magazine reports that "evidence does suggest that both incidents revolved around an amazing and little-reported technology that allows naval weapons and vessels to travel submerged at hundreds of miles per hour – in some cases, faster than the speed of sound in water. The swiftest traditional undersea technologies, in contrast, are limited to a maximum of about 80 mph."

The new technology that allows for these incredible speeds is "is based on the physical phenomenon of supercavitation."

According to Scientific American, the new generation of torpedos, some believed capabale of carrying nuclear warheads, are surrounded by a "renewable envelope of gas so that the liquid wets very little of the body's surface, thereby drastically reducing the viscous drag" on the torpedo.

The new technology "could mean a quantum leap in naval warfare that is analogous in some ways to the move from prop planes to jets or even to rockets and missiles."

In 1997 Russia announced that it had developed a high-speed unguided underwater torpedo, which has no equivalent in the West.

Code-named the Shkval or "Squall," the Russian torpedo reportedly travels so fast that no U.S. defense can stop it.

In late 2000, after the sinking of the Russian submarine Kursk, new reports began circulating that the Chinese navy had bought the Shkval torpedo.

The modern Russian weapon in Chinese navy hands has sent alarm bells ringing through the halls of the Pentagon.

"China purchased the Shkval rocket torpedo," stated Richard Fisher, a defense analyst and senior fellow at the Jamestown Foundation.

"The Shkval was designed to give Soviet subs with less capable sonar the ability to kill U.S. submarines before U.S. wire-guided anti-sub torpedoes could reach their target. The Chinese navy would certainly want to have this kind of advantage over U.S. subs in the future. At the speed that it travels, the Shkval could literally punch a hole in most U.S. ships, with little need for an explosive warhead."

"This torpedo travels at a speed of 200 knots, or five to six times the speed of a normal torpedo, and is especially suited for attacking large ships such as aircraft carriers," stated Fisher.

The report that China purchased some 40 Shkval torpedoes from Russia in 1998 has been confirmed by U.S. intelligence sources. Pentagon officials also confirmed that a Chinese naval officer was on board the ill-fated Russian submarine Kursk to observe firings of the Shkval.

The Shkval rocket first came to light in the Western press in April 2000 when Russian FSB security services charged American businessman Edward Pope with spying for the U.S. According to Russian intelligence sources, Pope obtained detailed information on the rocket-powered torpedo.

A FSB statement said it confiscated "technical drawings of various equipment, recordings of his conversations with Russian citizens relating to their work in the Russian defense industry, and receipts for American dollars received by them."

The 6,000-pound Shkval rocket torpedo has a range of about 7,500 yards and can fly through the water at more than 230 miles an hour. The solid-rocket-propelled "torpedo" achieves this high speed by producing a high-pressure stream of bubbles from its nose and skin, which coats the weapon in a thin layer of gas. The Shkval flies underwater inside a giant "envelope" of gas bubbles in a process called "supercavitation."

The Russian Pacific Fleet held the first tests of the Shkval torpedo in the spring of 1998. In early 1999, Russia began marketing a conventionally armed version of the Shkval high-speed underwater rocket at the IDEX 99 exhibition in Abu Dhabi.

The Shkval is so fast that it is guided by an autopilot rather than by a homing head as on most torpedoes. The original Shkval was designed to carry a tactical nuclear warhead detonated by a simple timer clock. However, the Russians recently began advertising a homing version, which runs out at very high speed, then slows to search for its target.

There are no evident countermeasures to the Shkval and, according to weapons experts, its deployment by Russian and Chinese naval forces has placed the U.S. Navy at a considerable disadvantage.

"We have no equivalent, its velocity would make evasive action exceedingly difficult, and it is likely that we have no defense against it," stated Jack Spencer, a defense analyst at the Heritage Foundation.

According to the Jamestown Foundation's Richard Fisher, China is acquiring a fleet of blue-water submarines armed with the deadly Shkval. In a recent defense report, Fisher noted the Chinese navy is arming itself with a deadly combination of silent submarines, supersonic nuclear tipped Stealth missiles and Shkval rocket torpedoes. Fisher warned that the new Chinese navy is capable of operating far from Asian shores.

"There are reports that the Chinese navy's current subs do not have tubes large enough to fire the Shkval. The Chinese navy has completed the acquisition of four Russian Kilo-class conventional submarines. The Kilo 636 is said to be nearly as quiet as the early version of the U.S. Los Angeles class nuclear submarine," noted Fisher.

"This very high speed torpedo would provide the PLA with the technology to build their own version, and this is a looming threat," stated Fisher.

"The next few years may also see China produce a new class of nuclear-powered submarine, the Type 093. Again benefiting from Russian technology."

The Chinese Type 093-class nuclear attack submarines are similar to Russian Victor III class first produced at the Leningrad yards in the 1970s. Each Chinese Type 093 weighs more than 5,000 tons and is over a football field in length. The Chinese type 093 submarines are armed with eight 21-inch torpedo tubes that are large enough to fire the super-fast Shkval.

"The Type 093 is projected by the U.S. Office of Naval Intelligence to have a performance similar to the Russian Victor-III nuclear attack submarine. By one estimate, four to six Type 093s should enter service by 2012," concluded Fisher.


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1 posted on 10/08/2001 4:56:04 PM PDT by Fighting Irish
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To: Fighting Irish
Good catch, Mr. Irish. And welcome aboard! V's wife.
2 posted on 10/08/2001 4:59:54 PM PDT by ventana
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To: Fighting Irish
I would hope that we have clearly stated to China and Russia that the use of one of these that sinks a carrier equates to the use of nukes.
3 posted on 10/08/2001 5:01:58 PM PDT by Diddle E. Squat
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To: Fighting Irish
I will bet that our Navy isn't sitting on its hands. We know that the Russians have accomplished supercavitation. What keeps us from doing likewise?
4 posted on 10/08/2001 5:04:12 PM PDT by Ole Okie
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To: Fighting Irish
"The new technology "could mean a quantum leap in naval warfare that is analogous in some ways to the move from prop planes to jets or even to rockets and missiles."
5 posted on 10/08/2001 5:05:16 PM PDT by monkeywrench
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To: Fighting Irish
bump
6 posted on 10/08/2001 5:16:43 PM PDT by Red Jones
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To: Ole Okie
We have a supercavitating torpedo in development. and research has starterd on a supercavitating submarine.

One of these torpedoes will not take out a carrier unless it is a nuke. Six would probably not do it. Our carriers are very well built.

So9

7 posted on 10/08/2001 5:17:02 PM PDT by Servant of the Nine
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To: Fighting Irish
>>...and it is likely that we have no defense against it," stated Jack Spencer, a defense analyst at the Heritage Foundation.<<

Translation: "Please don't throw me in the briar patch!"

8 posted on 10/08/2001 5:21:55 PM PDT by RobRoy
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To: Fighting Irish
I'm sure we've got these by now. We knew about these way back when.
9 posted on 10/08/2001 5:27:45 PM PDT by Lazamataz
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To: Fighting Irish
A bit hyperbolic, but the description of the technology sounds feasible. It's likely that reliability is a problem (Kursk?). Let's hope the R&D guys are on this one if it's real.
10 posted on 10/08/2001 5:31:12 PM PDT by 6ppc
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To: Servant of the Nine
We have a supercavitating torpedo in development. and research has starterd on a supercavitating submarine.

Wonder how much noise they make? Speed vs. stealth.

11 posted on 10/08/2001 5:32:19 PM PDT by 6ppc
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To: 6ppc
On the same note, is it really worth the detection risk to give up stealth? If they don't know you're there, they can't shoot you right? The East relies on brute force, the West on speed and stealth. It will be interesting to see which wins out...
12 posted on 10/08/2001 5:41:36 PM PDT by AntiKev
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To: Fighting Irish
an interesting note on the name Shkval - this was the name of a soviet elint trawler that was of the coast of cuba on October 28, 1962...

probably no connection but interesting just the same...

13 posted on 10/08/2001 5:43:33 PM PDT by krodriguesdc
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To: Fighting Irish
Posted way back here Russian 'Rocket' Torpedo Arms Chinese Subs


14 posted on 10/08/2001 5:43:45 PM PDT by It'salmosttolate
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To: Diddle E. Squat
I would hope that we have clearly stated to China and Russia
that the use of one of these that sinks a carrier equates to the use
of nukes.

Inasmuch as it doesn't, one doubts it.

 

15 posted on 10/08/2001 5:46:54 PM PDT by gcruse
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To: Fighting Irish
Clinton knew about this when it was in development and I'm sure he knew about it before. But he didn't give a damn. He spent his 8 years raising money for RATS, getting BJs, lying to grand juries, assaulting women, and covering his crimes. He had no time for the defense of this nations. My son in law in on a carrier in the Middle East right now. One more big salute of thanks goes to Bill Clinton.
16 posted on 10/08/2001 5:47:27 PM PDT by doug from upland
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To: Fighting Irish
The Chinese navy has completed the acquisition of four Russian Kilo-class conventional submarines. The Kilo 636 is said to be nearly as quiet as the early version of the U.S. Los Angeles class nuclear submarine," noted Fisher.

Let's see, the Los Angeles class is divided into two groups, 688 and 688I. Kilo is "nearly" as quiet as a base 688 (most of which are being retired). The 688Is are significantly quieter, with the Seawolf and Virginia-class subs being much quieter still. And, all other things being equal, the USN and RN submarines are unmatched when it comes to the electronic wiz-bang necessary to detect and kill other submarines (Kilos may be quiet, but they are also completely deaf when compared to US subs).

Soooooo ... the chances of a Kilo with this torpedo getting close enough in to a US carrier (all US carriers travel with at least two Submarines riding shotgun) to take a shot (my understanding is that supercavitating torps are notoriously short ranged) is limited. In a shooting war, those Kilos would be sunk long before they had a chance to open their outer torpedo doors.
17 posted on 10/08/2001 5:47:41 PM PDT by gkidman
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To: Fighting Irish

BA-111 Shkval underwater rocket


18 posted on 10/08/2001 5:49:29 PM PDT by michigander
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To: Fighting Irish
6,000-pound Shkval rocket torpedo has a range of about 7,500 yards... The Chinese Type 093-class nuclear attack submarines are similar to Russian Victor III class first produced at the Leningrad yards in the 1970s... 5,000 tons and is over a football field in length....

***Yawn***

Big deal. A fish with a range of 7,500 yards, installed on a boat that you can hear (and kill) from well over three times that range... Victor boats are about as stealthy as a cat-burgler who, while trying to break into your house, is carrying two tin 50-gallon garbage cans...

He'll be rather lacking, with regard to the element of surprise...

FReegards,

19 posted on 10/08/2001 5:50:22 PM PDT by Capitalist Eric
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To: Fighting Irish
Let's see. On the one hand we have the Shkval with a speed of about 230 miles per hour and a range of 7,500 yards. On the other hand we have the U.S Mk 48 ADCAP with a top speed of 55 knots and a range of 42,530 yards, or a max range of 54,685 yards if you limit the speed to 40 knots. Can anyone else do the math here?
20 posted on 10/08/2001 5:56:46 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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