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United Way Shake-Down Response
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Posted on 10/08/2001 11:52:28 AM PDT by BreitbartSentMe

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To: Bush_Democrat
Assuming the charity you target your gift to is one that United Way supports, targeting your contribution does not mean that organization will receive additional funds. The United Way has a budget. Each organization receives a set percentage of the total, or a set total amount. For example:

Say your local Girl Scout Council is budgeted to receive $200,000. You decide you want to give them (target) your entire contribution of $100/ month. Does the Girl Scout Council then receive $201,200 for the year? Nope. They still get $200,000 of which $1,200 specifically comes from you. In this case it typically costs the Girl Scout Council the price of a thank you card and stamp to personally thank you for the contribution. They end up getting less. The only way the Girl Scout Council will receive more than $200,000 is for a lot of people to do what you did.

Another thing the United Way does that irritates me is they redirect funds. I live in Beavercreek, Ohio an outlying community of Dayton. The United Way here is run out of Dayton (Montgomery County). They collect about $2,000,000 from Greene County (including Beavercreek) out of which only $700,000 makes it's way back to Greene County charitable organizations. The United Way rep told me that I benefit from the organizations in Dayton that receive the lions share of area contributions. I told him the last time I took my child to Children's Medical Center they charged me 3 times the going rate because I had insurance, and there's no way I want any of my funds supporting Planned Parenthood. He said I could make a targeted contribution (refer to 1st example). I told him I knew how the system worked, and he agreed with me. Needless to say, I contribute directly to the organizations I want to support.

61 posted on 10/08/2001 1:21:46 PM PDT by OrioleFan
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To: Bush_Democrat
Salvation Army works for me.


62 posted on 10/08/2001 1:23:05 PM PDT by bluetoad
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To: JoeEveryman
You are incorrect....because United Way operates on a regional basis. The region of my location has confirmed in writing to our office that 90 cents on every dollar will reach the specificed charity.
Interesting. Their website says differently, stating that they do no better then 13%. Would you mind scanning and posting this letter you rely on? Otherwise I think I’ll rely on what the United Way states publically.

Ummmm...the Boy Scouts of America and The Salvation Army are, both, pre-established and featured charities in my regional United Way location...
And they are not in most locations. They are positively discriminated against in some. That is the United Way’s right, but it is our right to avoid giving to them.
However, I think all one needs to do is take a look at this thread to see the biased, non-factual, rantings of followers, innuendo and talking points.
I posted facts to you above, and you fail to respond, then you come out with general insults. You have no standing to rant like this unless you respond to the facts that have been posted.

patent  +AMDG

63 posted on 10/08/2001 1:23:18 PM PDT by patent
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To: Sunshine Sister
Sunshine, are you implying that UW plays ABSOLUTELY no part in pressure donation tactics (ie the 100% goal deal)? Get rid of the middle person (was that PC or not).
64 posted on 10/08/2001 1:25:24 PM PDT by secondamendmentkid
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To: Sunshine Sister
United Way is an incredibly effective organization.

Not to challenge your statement, but effective at what? Let's say that I have $1,000 to give to a charitable organization. Let's say that I want to give that to the American Red Cross. Where is the value in giving it to the ARC through the United Way as opposed to giving it directly to the ARC? Whether the true overhead figure is 10% or 17% or 1%, why shouldn't the ARC get that 10% or 17% or 1%? What value is added by the United Way?

I suppose if you just want to give money because you are feeling charitable and don't know who to give it to you can give it to the UW and feel good about yourself. But I would never encourage such a lazy approach to giving. For all you know the money could go to supporting someone with core values diametrically opposed to yours. So, you can designate who it goes to. That brings me back to my question. If you already know who you want to give to, what value does the United Way add for the overhead?

Thanks in advance for the answer.

Shalom.

65 posted on 10/08/2001 1:25:55 PM PDT by ArGee
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To: Sunshine Sister
I got news for you pal. The United Way didn't come after you, your boss did. Take it out on him, not United Way. UW has a written directive that companies are NOT to coerce ANYONED AT ANY TIME. Direct your anger to the truely guilty!
Muslims everywhere are proclaiming what a “peaceful” religion Islam is, yet violent jihad, not to mention the even more abhorrent terrorism occurs all over the globe. Forced conversions, genital mutilation, mass killings, all in the name of the peaceful religion.

Same with the United Way, bosses everywhere twisting arms and threatening employees. All in the name of the “non-coercive” United Way. Must be merely a coincidence that these bosses twist these arms only in the name of the poor innocent United Way.

patent  +AMDG

66 posted on 10/08/2001 1:26:56 PM PDT by patent
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To: JoeEveryman
Hey, Joe, you need to read a newspaper. Remember a couple of years ago when we read about the CEO or CFO or whomever he was at UW was lining his and his colleagues pockets with MILLIONS of donated $$, hm? Or if they do give to pro-choice, lesbo and politically correct causes, why chance your hard earned dollars going to that buffoonory? (sp?) send it direct to NRA, Christian Coalition, Free Republic, or any of a hundred good, truly Christian and Conservative causes. Heck, donate it to your local parochial/private/Christian school. DEFUND the left, the NEA and support worthy causes. UW WAY NEVER will get one thin dime from me....
67 posted on 10/08/2001 1:29:07 PM PDT by Capt.YankeeMike
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To: JoeEveryman
"United Way, despite the misplaced rhetoric on this site, is a valid and worthy charity."

Yea, if you want to fund Gay rights, Masturbation videos for kindergarteners, marriage-breaking 'battered' women shelters, the rainbow coalition, and a million other anti-Christian, anti-American, mud-packing hate clubs.

68 posted on 10/08/2001 1:29:24 PM PDT by editor-surveyor
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To: fporretto
"The poor will always be with us." -- Abraham Lincoln

Ahem! Abe was quoting Jesus Christ.

Shalom.

69 posted on 10/08/2001 1:30:18 PM PDT by ArGee
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To: Bush_Democrat
I do not give to the Beknighted way, nor do I attend any of their meetings.
70 posted on 10/08/2001 1:32:11 PM PDT by exnavy
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To: JoeEveryman
Joe, one reason people bitch is because of that "designation" thing. Look at this (using small round numbers for the example): it is determined that BSA is to receive $ 1000 a year. Girl Scouts is to receive $ 1000 a year. If you give $ 100 undesignated, then BSA gets $ 50 from you, $ 950 from other people. Same with Girl Scouts.

If you designate $ 100 to BSA, then BSA gets $ 100 from you, $ 900 from others. Girl Scouts gets $ 1000 from everyone else.

Both organizations get the same, no matter if you designate or not. The "designation" process is a con game that UW should be ashamed of.

71 posted on 10/08/2001 1:32:17 PM PDT by jammer
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To: Bush_Democrat
I will gladly accept your donations to 2nd Amendment Rights. Unlike some of the business bigwigs and UW, I won't apply pressure to get you to donate and you won't see me sucking up to the other good ole boys in the community trying to make the papers about how I helped UW duress millions out of my employees for the benefit of mankind.

Private email me with your billing address for your donation in the amount of 50% of your annual salary. Thanks for supporting Shoot Straight.

72 posted on 10/08/2001 1:32:58 PM PDT by secondamendmentkid
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To: fporretto
"The poor will always be with us." -- Abraham Lincoln

OK, it was a bearded guy who said this, but you missed the timeframe by about 1800 years. LOL!

73 posted on 10/08/2001 1:33:06 PM PDT by Aristophanes
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To: JoeEveryman
duh, hey...joe. give directly to the boy scouts and salvation army. simple business practice, cut out the middle man if possible....
74 posted on 10/08/2001 1:33:53 PM PDT by Capt.YankeeMike
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To: secondamendmentkid, JoeEveryman
"Any donation destination can be defined by the giver, and the United Way is under obligation to deliver those funds to that party."

OK. You've forced me to expand on the "designated charity" scam run by the United Way, here's the deal:

Let's say your favorite charity is the local "Adoption Counseling" organization, because you oppose abortion. OK, so you designate 100% of your weekly payroll donation to go to "Adoption Counseling Inc." Meanwhile, "Adoption Counseling Inc." (ACI) has applied for a $10,000 grant from their local UW affiliate. After jumping through the hoops to make sure that "ACI" meets all of the UW's accounting standards, workplace diversity standards, organizational standards, and UW mission standards, they get the $10,000 grant. Unless the total amount of all "designated" donations to "ACI" exceed $10,000, it makes not one whit of difference to which charity you designate your payroll deduction. "ACI" will still receive only $10,000 - the amount requested in their grant. It's all a public relations gimmick and accounting shell game. I don't know of any charity that has ever received a dime more than they requested in their UW grant as a result of designated donations.

75 posted on 10/08/2001 1:37:04 PM PDT by Harrison Bergeron
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To: JoeEveryman
The region of my location has confirmed in writing to our office that 90 cents on every dollar will reach the specificed charity.

If you send it to your specified charity on your own, 100 cents of every dollar will get there.

Let the UW officials get a real job, instead of skimming off the good will of others.

76 posted on 10/08/2001 1:37:14 PM PDT by dead
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To: JoeEveryman
Any donation destination can be defined by the giver, and the United Way is under obligation to deliver those funds to that party. Even if it is a chapter that has removed the Boy Scouts from their pre-established list of charities you can designate your donation to the Boy Scouts, and the United Way must comply...

Having substantial connections with a small, but national, charity, I know this is false. Money specifically targeted for this charity was never received by it. The UW excludes countless charities in every area of giving.

I would really like to hear from someone who designated a non-United way Charity who can provide evidence that the donation was actually sent to the charity.

77 posted on 10/08/2001 1:39:04 PM PDT by CharacterCounts
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To: Sunshine Sister
Dear Sushine; unfortunatelty, this corrupt organization has got you spouting the "party line", they got you hook,line and sinker. You need to go back to the archives in your local library and read about the corruption that caused the firing of the UW national chairman. Plus, alot of the org. they "help" are not conservative causes. PLUS, their stance on the Boy Scouts labels them as my families' enemies. No, I will not donate to or through UW. You have been deceived. Are you sure youre not a liberal?
78 posted on 10/08/2001 1:41:07 PM PDT by Capt.YankeeMike
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To: Sunshine Sister
Dear Sushine; unfortunatelty, this corrupt organization has got you spouting the "party line", they got you hook,line and sinker. You need to go back to the archives in your local library and read about the corruption that caused the firing of the UW national chairman. Plus, alot of the org. they "help" are not conservative causes. PLUS, their stance on the Boy Scouts labels them as my families' enemies. No, I will not donate to or through UW. You have been deceived. Are you sure youre not a liberal?
79 posted on 10/08/2001 1:41:44 PM PDT by Capt.YankeeMike
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To: Harrison Bergeron
Joe Everyman and me are at opposite ends of the spectrum on this. Your analysis was more correct than mine was. However there are organizations which do not want to be part of the UW because of their administrative BS BUT it is to their advantage and to UW to be included as a group that UW accepts donations for. Such organizations are able to solicit effectively on their own and are not beholden to UW.
80 posted on 10/08/2001 1:45:02 PM PDT by secondamendmentkid
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