Posted on 10/07/2001 4:41:26 PM PDT by HapaxLegamenon
Michael Matt, editor of the Remnant a traditionalist Catholic newspaper published the following report on their website. We have been informed by a reliable contact in France that Sister Lucy (the only surviving seer of the Fatima apparitions) has delivered a message to Carmelite sisters in France. According to this report, Sister Lucy recently received another communication from the Mother of God. In the wake of that communication, we are told, Sister Lucy has asked Carmelite sisters throughout the world to pray specifically on the Feast of the Most Holy Rosary for a special intention. That intention is, we are told, that the world might be spared “a blood bath.” Whether this has any connection to the impending war with Islamic terrorists, we have no way of knowing. Though our French source is reliable, we have not been able to confirm this report ourselves, and are now in the process of trying to do so. At least two Carmelite convents in the United States have indicated to us that they have NOT received such a message. One Carmelite convent, however, did confirm that they did receive a letter from the Asociatcion Ntra. Sca Del Rosario in Fatima Portugal (dated September 13th, 2001), which did call on the Carmelite order to unite with Sister Lucy in praying for peace in the world on October 7—the Feast of the Holy Rosary. In this letter (written in Spanish) there was no mention of a recent communication to Sister Lucy from Our Lady, nor was there reference to a “blood bath.” We are presently waiting for the text of the French version. In any event, we believe that, because time is short between now and the Feast of the Holy Rosary, it would be a good idea for all Catholics to join the Carmelites in praying for this intention on tomorrow’s Feast. Such an intention is a certainly most worthy, especially right now; so even if this French report turns out to be somehow exaggerated, the intention is still well worth remembering during this critical hour of unrest and uncertainty in the world.
Think about it.
I won't address the fact that you have completely mischaracterized Catholic belief. I just want to clear a couple of things up. Do you mean SIMPLE nature of APOSTOLIC Christianity? "Simplistic" is an unflattering term and "apolistic" isn't a word. But, then, neither is "occultic."
Im sorry, but I have no patience for stupidity
Too easy.
Anti-Catholicism: politically correct bigotry for the new Millenium.
Neither of which we do.
the occultic fasination is demonically inspired to lead people astray from the absolute SIMPLISTIC nature of apolistic christianity.
What is "apolistic christianity," and where would I go to find out about it's "absolute SIMPLISTIC nature"?
Im sorry, but I have no patience for stupidity.
Really? You ought to try praying before you post garbage like this. It will give you patience.
It's fascinating to see the absolute, blind, raging hatred so many so-called "Christians" have for the Mother of the Lord. Nobody in the Bible acts that way. Jesus never acted that way. When Jesus gave Mary to John at Calvary, John didn't say, Why are you giving me this whorish idol to lead me astray from the Simplistic Nature of Apolistic Christianity????
When Gabriel showed up at Nazareth, his first words were, "Hail, full of grace!" not "Greetings, O sin-filled vessel chosen by God to bear his Son and then ever after to be worshipped as an idol by damned millions!"
When Mary spoke to Elizabeth under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, she said "All generations to come will call me blessed," not "All generations to come will either ignore me or hate me and be saved, or worship me as an idol and be damned to eternal hellfire!"
I'd really like to know where you people get your marching orders from, because it isn't the Bible.
I do not know about Mike Matt. But I do know that the Diocese Report is respected, and is not to be linked with schismatics. The only schismatics are those regarded as such by the Church. Now I doubt, as you suggest, that the Ecclesia Dei orders are schimatics, since the Pope himself is the author of Ecclesia Dei.
Furthmore, I cannot imagine why a Catholic who is told to Pray the Rosary on the Feast of the Rosary, would have to wait and see if they get a fax from Rome before the could decide whether it is a good idea
Word games. what do they accomplish?
What do fragments of scripture twisted loose from their context tell us?
Wonder why they never stop to contemplate the company they keep in deriding Catholicism?
Surely, the Whore of Babylon would be in league with the liberals, homosexual activists, abortionists, population controllers, the UN, feminists, atheists, communists, etc.
But those folks hate us just as much as these anti-Catholic bigots here.
Don't they ever stop to look around them at the company they're keeping and question where exactly they stand?
yeah, Satan knows the right address. And his minions do his bidding wittingly and unwittingly.
Actually in one sense you are wrong. God is 3 persons and Jesus is one of those persons, and Marry (sic)is Jesus's mother. Hence it is accurate to call Marry (sic)the Mother of God. I am not a Catholic following person, and I have my problems with certain catholic ideas such as praying to Marry. But I have no problem with the statement that Marry is the mother of God. Since she is the mother of Jesus who is one person of the trinity.
Jesus' humanity has a mother, however His diety existed as God's Son from all eternity, and indeed is Mary's Creator, Savior and Mediator. The term Mother of God (Theotokis) comes from battling Gnostic heriesies before 500 AD which claimed Jesus humanity wasn't real... I'm not a Romanist but I know that official Roman doctrine understands that Mary was God's mother only in the sense of His humanity, when God took on human flesh.
I still would like to hear a biblical argument as to how dead people in heaven could possibly hear our prayers...and why we'd want them to mediate in the first place, when we can go directly to Christ himself!
Shucks, then Jesus Christ LIED when He said, "I will be with you always," and "what you hold bound on earth will be held bound in Heaven," and (most importantly) "The gates of Hell shall never prevail against you."
What have I been doing all my life, following such a liar and deceiver, such a mad man? This man cannot be GOD if He has lied in such a clear manner (according to your personal interpretation of scripture and history.)
Oh gloom, despair, my faith is shattered in the Roman Catholic Church.
Of course, since Jesus lied, and did NOT protect HIS CHURCH from error, he is not God, so those other Christian denominations are wrong too.
(memo to self...mark calendar...October 7, 2001...I became an atheist...because the good bible only believing folks on FR opened my eyes to that fact that jesus was a mad man and a liar...)
As for the issue of the "Jesus's brothers," anyone even slightly familiar with Middle Eastern culture knows that people there call all relatives of whatever degree (e.g., first cousins, second cousins, third cousins, etc.) "brothers." According to Holy Tradition, these "Jesus's brothers" were cousins. Since you don't accept Tradition, then you're simply stuck not knowing what they were. All you can know is that they were relatives of some sort.
The confessional is hardly non-Scriptural. Christ gave the Apostles the power to bind and to loose. They had to know what the sins were in order to bind them or loose them. And this sacrament only makes sense, since sin is not only an affront to God -- it is also an affront to the Church (and the whole human family). Therefore, the Church has a say in the matter.
In other words, when you tell us "the Bible says" what the Bible clearly doesn't say, and can't cite Scripture to support your position, that's "Biblical teaching".
But when Catholics cite Scripture to support their position, those are just "fragments of scripture twisted loose from their context".
Oh, don't worry. There are plenty of folks like you here on FR. They're sure they know what the Bible teaches, sure they know what the Catholic Church teaches, and sure the two don't match up. But when they actually run up against knowledgeable Catholics who know why they are Catholics and know how to defend Catholicism from Scripture, suddenly all they can do is throw lame accusations that the Catholics are "Scripture-twisting".
You really owe it to yourself to be more honest with God, more honest with the Bible, and more honest with yourself. Cardinal Newman ended one of his books with the tagline "Time is short, eternity is long." And so it is.
Do yourself a favor. Get Karl Keating's Catholicism and Fundamentalism, David Currie's Born Fundamentalist, Born Again Catholic, and Karl Adam's Spirit of Catholicism. Read them. If we are right, you are not where Jesus wants you to be, and you need to fix that. Today.
If, OTOH, we are wrong, you will at least know why we believe what we believe, and will be ever so better prepared to show us why we are wrong in ways that are more convincing than simply accusing us of "word games".
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