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To: Campion
yeh right. NO it's not the same faith of the early new testament church. Your church took exit 1 on the oneway/one lane road of christianity. You have turned the SIMPLE life and SIMPLE message of Christ and turned it into some sort of occultic, incense burning, golden staffed, rosary beaded, confessional box, Virgin Mary, Mother of God,....jeesh!!!!! As a 'protestant' or 'infidel' I feel the same way about certain TV evangelists too. My disgust with all things commercial and FAKE and UNBIBLICAL knows no bounds! I am and equal opportunity fake religeon despiser. HOnestly aren't you even the slightest bit embarassed when your fellow catholics turn out in droves to pray the rosary over some misshapen fruit or a foggy window that looks like the 'Virgin' Mary. And please explain to me that mystery. How could Mary be a virgin if Jesus had brother's and sisters? Im sorry, but I got the SAME, repeat, the SAME creepy feeling reading some Nostradamus, that I did sitting in a Cahtolic service. Naw brother, the catholic faith spends WAY too much time looking for these supposed signs and wonders and worshiping Mary (a sinful human) - IMO it borders on the occult. And WHY did the Catholic church start the confessional? THAT'S totally unbiblical also. Maybe population 'control'? Hmmmmmm.......
172 posted on 10/07/2001 8:34:52 PM PDT by Hammerhead
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To: Hammerhead
If you knew History, you would know that the canon of scripture was determind by Catholic Bishops.
174 posted on 10/07/2001 8:40:36 PM PDT by HapaxLegamenon
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To: Hammerhead
Your church took exit 1 on the oneway/one lane road of christianity

Shucks, then Jesus Christ LIED when He said, "I will be with you always," and "what you hold bound on earth will be held bound in Heaven," and (most importantly) "The gates of Hell shall never prevail against you."

What have I been doing all my life, following such a liar and deceiver, such a mad man? This man cannot be GOD if He has lied in such a clear manner (according to your personal interpretation of scripture and history.)

Oh gloom, despair, my faith is shattered in the Roman Catholic Church.

Of course, since Jesus lied, and did NOT protect HIS CHURCH from error, he is not God, so those other Christian denominations are wrong too.

(memo to self...mark calendar...October 7, 2001...I became an atheist...because the good bible only believing folks on FR opened my eyes to that fact that jesus was a mad man and a liar...)

176 posted on 10/07/2001 8:47:32 PM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: Hammerhead
You're assuming facts not in evidence. There are enough miracles recorded in the Bible. Catholics are not required to believe in the apparitions or other supernatural phenomena that occur from time to time. The vast majority of these are investigated by the Church and judged "unworthy of belief." If an apparition is judged "worthy of belief," the individual Catholic is free to accept or reject its authenticity. These "window apparitions" which form the object of some obsession with you have not even been investigated, much less approved.

As for the issue of the "Jesus's brothers," anyone even slightly familiar with Middle Eastern culture knows that people there call all relatives of whatever degree (e.g., first cousins, second cousins, third cousins, etc.) "brothers." According to Holy Tradition, these "Jesus's brothers" were cousins. Since you don't accept Tradition, then you're simply stuck not knowing what they were. All you can know is that they were relatives of some sort.

The confessional is hardly non-Scriptural. Christ gave the Apostles the power to bind and to loose. They had to know what the sins were in order to bind them or loose them. And this sacrament only makes sense, since sin is not only an affront to God -- it is also an affront to the Church (and the whole human family). Therefore, the Church has a say in the matter.

178 posted on 10/07/2001 8:48:36 PM PDT by Squire
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To: Hammerhead
Those signs are for the ones who do not believe...
190 posted on 10/07/2001 9:06:31 PM PDT by classygreeneyedblonde
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To: Hammerhead
Sir, you should pray before posting such tripe. You should also try reading some Church Fathers before embarassing yourself and putting your fathomless ignorance on display for all to see.

Benedicat te omnipotens Deus.
201 posted on 10/07/2001 9:32:37 PM PDT by Antoninus
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