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Few Commando Units in Striking Distance
New York Times ^ | Oct. 6, 2001 | Thom Shanker

Posted on 10/06/2001 11:57:29 PM PDT by jerod

WASHINGTON, Oct. 6 — For all the emphasis that Pentagon planners have put on Special Operations forces in a war against the network of Osama bin Laden and the Taliban government, at the moment relatively few of these secretive soldiers are within striking distance of the heart of Afghanistan, officials at the Pentagon say.

As the military's mobilization accelerated this week, a Defense Department official (Clinton Hack/or Disinforment Informent) said that "only a few dozen" members of the military's Special Operations forces had deployed into the region so far. Short of an intelligence coup disclosing Mr. bin Laden's location, that is scarcely enough to scour the caves and canyons of the country looking for him and his captains.

But an additional 500 or so members of Special Operations units will be laced among the 23,000 United States troops now landing in Egypt for a monthlong military exercise, "Bright Star," which begins next week, Pentagon officials say.

"They could easily swing over toward Afghanistan," one Pentagon official said. And other Special Operations forces will most likely deploy with many units bound for the region.

With so few of them there so far, the initial mission of these fighters has focused on the more conventional of their many specialized roles. These include scouting targets and standing by to illuminate them with laser beams that precisely guide missiles and bombs to the most important ones.

Recalling the Persian Gulf war of a decade ago, Paul D. Wolfowitz, the deputy secretary of defense, said this week that the "most effective means for finding Scud missiles, Iraqi Scud missiles, was putting very brave special forces people on the ground in western Iraq."

But he conceded that their daring sometimes went to waste. "When they got there and they found targets, we didn't have the kind of integration with our air capability to make that bravery effective," Mr. Wolfowitz said.

Special Operations forces are also the most likely soldiers to carry out another strategy that Pentagon officials have spoken of: assisting resistance forces of the Northern Alliance in their campaign against the Taliban's military.

"Assisting forces that are in opposition to the government of a hostile country — now, that is a classic special forces mission," said one veteran of the Army Special Forces, the Green Berets. The hope has been both to dislodge the Taliban regime and to flush out members of Al Qaeda, the terrorist network.

And counterterrorism generally is another of the particular missions of Special Operations units. Wayne A. Downing, a retired four-star Army general who headed the United States Special Operations Command, has joined the National Security Council as the president's new director for counterterrorism.

American commandos are capable of much more than hiding for days on end and working in the dark of night to locate targets, or propping up indigenous rebels to do the fighting. These forces receive the most intense training in the military, and some of its most sophisticated radios and weapons, so they can wipe out targets on their own.

Special forces wage their corner of the war with intense and concentrated violence that can be important tactically to the broader mission, and disruptive psychologically to an enemy, current and past members of these units say.

In the words of one former Special Operations officer, "They fight fast and they fight furious, and then they get out."

They can be secretly inserted into enemy territory in pitch darkness by Pave Low and Pave Hawk helicopters that skirt the terrain. For heavier loads and longer distances, there is the Combat Talon, a modified cargo plane that needs only 750 feet of rudimentary runway to land.

So secret are the Special Operations forces' missions that their movements into and around the region are blacked out of slide presentations about the war effort shown to some of the most senior military leaders at the Pentagon.

Their importance to that effort, though, is no secret. Secretary of Defense Donald H. Rumsfeld has made it clear that in this campaign, "a lot of it will be Special Operations."

As the Air Force readies high- altitude food drops over Afghanistan, an operation aimed at filling the stomachs as well winning the hearts of the Afghan people and undermining the Taliban's legitimacy in their minds, special forces could stealthily search for, identify and help destroy Taliban anti-aircraft systems, whose capabilities remain an unknown, Pentagon officials say.

That mission would become even more critical if President Bush orders a sustained bombing campaign to squeeze the Taliban by attacking command posts, arms depots, airfields, training camps and storage sites for the heroin that has underwritten the Taliban, officials say.

Special Operations forces do everything from coordinating refugee relief to training foreign soldiers to reconstituting a water purification system to preparing leaflets urging surrender in dialects that few American soldiers have ever heard spoken.

There are 40,000 members of United States Special Operations units, budgeted at just over $3 billion, or about 1.3 percent of all military spending, said Col. Bill Darley, a spokesman for the Special Operations Command. (Most Special Operations personnel who work in civil affairs are in Reserve units, as are many of those trained in psychological operations.)

Units vary in size and specialty, from the top-secret Delta Force, which specializes in counterterrorism, to Navy Seal teams that specialize in coastal reconnaissance, infiltration and demolition, to the larger units of Army Rangers, perhaps the best-trained infantry in the world.

But spectacular failures still haunt these forces. There was the aborted hostage rescue in Iran in 1980. During the 1989 invasion of Panama, the forces had a disproportionate number of casualties. The disastrous attempt to kidnap a Somali warlord, Mohammed Farrah Aidid, in 1993 certainly ended public support for involvement there.


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Comparing this mission to Somali, is like comparing Granada to WWII.
1 posted on 10/06/2001 11:57:29 PM PDT by jerod
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To: jerod
There weren't 5,000 plus Americans killed in Mogodeshui.(SP?)
2 posted on 10/07/2001 12:00:41 AM PDT by jerod
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To: jerod
Dis-info campaign. Keep em guessing.
3 posted on 10/07/2001 12:01:26 AM PDT by Free the USA
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To: jerod
If this information is true, the reporter has no business reporting it. If this information is false, the reporter has no business reporting it.
4 posted on 10/07/2001 12:02:50 AM PDT by Gordian Blade
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To: jerod
Few is enough.
5 posted on 10/07/2001 12:04:00 AM PDT by PRND21
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To: PRND21
It seens the striking range is right next door !

NOT !

6 posted on 10/07/2001 12:07:10 AM PDT by america-rules
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To: jerod
But spectacular failures still haunt these forces.

That statement couldn't be further from the truth. In Somalia, tha failure was 100% political, 100% Clinton's unwillingness to take the mission seriously, and reluctance to act.

7 posted on 10/07/2001 12:11:34 AM PDT by piasa
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To: Gordian Blade
If this information is true, the reporter has no business reporting it. If this information is false, the reporter has no business reporting it.

Welcome to the New York Times. All the disinformation that is fit to print. These are the original Clymers. Clymer works there!

Let us hope the information is false.

If I were in the White House I would be feeding these jerks a blizzard of disinformation on a background basis and nothing on a for attribution basis.

I would be sending them to report on all my decoys, nonexistent units, passed-over strategies, and missions to nowhere.

They report. I roflmao.
8 posted on 10/07/2001 12:20:20 AM PDT by cgbg
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To: jerod
To this writer (who doesn't understand squat about the military) I paraphrase Churchill: "Never fear. All will come right."

This isn't a Clintoon operation. We're taking our time. We're preparing. We'll do it right, with as little loss of life as possible.

9 posted on 10/07/2001 12:24:32 AM PDT by GVnana
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To: jerod
Afghanistan is the size of Texas, 250,000 squre miles, (or twice the size of all of Viet Nam), it has 18,000 foot tall mountains, and it's 500 miles from the ocean to the closest frontier. And winter comes in a few weeks.

Tall order, no matter how many specops troops you have.

10 posted on 10/07/2001 12:25:17 AM PDT by Travis McGee
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It is not in the how or who, but when. These operations take time. I'm patient.
11 posted on 10/07/2001 12:28:55 AM PDT by lavrenti
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To: piasa
Exactly!!!

The political will for this operation is 100%, and the will of the American people is certainly high.

The question is this.

How many liberal loving nay-sayers, like Thom Shanker, will write opinions under the guise of News, (like the above story) in an effort to demoralize and disillusion the public? And will their efforts be successfull?

12 posted on 10/07/2001 12:31:49 AM PDT by jerod
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To: lavrenti
There will be operations in Afghanistan, and I hope that it works out for us.

But I recall going personally to Beirut in January of 1983 as a young officer with great optimism and high hopes and the best intentions.

Beirut, (with our fleet anchored within rifleshot), was a pimple on Afghanistan's camel, and we know how Beirut turned out. And Somalia later.

Great intentions are not worth crap in the middle east.

Read "Blackhawk Down" about the operation to snatch Aidid's lieutenents THREE MILES from the US Army Ranger/Delta compound.

Again: big as Texas, 18,000' mountains, 500 to 1000 miles from our fleet.

Catching Osama is going to be no piece of cake unless he's real stupid. And we know he ain't stupid.

13 posted on 10/07/2001 12:40:24 AM PDT by Travis McGee
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14 posted on 10/07/2001 12:52:30 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: jerod
Are you kidding? Do you think the Pentagon is going to tell where the special ops are?? Puhleeeeze! Get real!
15 posted on 10/07/2001 1:49:05 AM PDT by Sueann
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To: Travis McGee
Beirut, (with our fleet anchored within rifleshot), was a pimple on Afghanistan's camel, and we know how Beirut turned out. And Somalia later. Great intentions are not worth crap in the middle east.

Nonsense, we're not trying to occupy Afghanistan in the same manner that we occupied Beirut. Bush wants to hit Bin Laden and the Taliban hard and get the hell out. This is the right strategy. Practically every conflict where we've had a peacekeeping role has turned to sh*t. And mostly because our Democratic Commander-in-Chiefs didn't have the balls to go the distance (except Truman).
16 posted on 10/07/2001 2:17:29 AM PDT by Bush2000
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To: Travis McGee
Catching Osama is going to be no piece of cake unless he's real stupid. And we know he ain't stupid.

If Bin Laden holes up in a cave, we can detonate enough rock and dirt to bury him forever. End of problem.
17 posted on 10/07/2001 2:18:37 AM PDT by Bush2000
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To: jerod
How many liberal loving nay-sayers, like Thom Shanker, will write opinions under the guise of News, (like the above story) in an effort to demoralize and disillusion the public? And will their efforts be successfull?

Not a chance. The administration is the only force that could demoralize the people now.

I know absolutely no one who isn't determined to come out of this victorious. Even people I normally would consider political enemies are unanimous in their support of wiping these terrorists out.

A lot of people I know are a bit jittery about the unknowns of the "how" and the "where" of the next attack, but they are all firm in their resolve.

18 posted on 10/07/2001 2:28:10 AM PDT by Lion's Cub
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To: Travis McGee
Osama won't be a piece of cake, that is for certain. This is going to be a long, perhaps permanent affiar, not just with him but with others of his kind. While Blackhawk Down is a very accurate account of Somalia - the best I know- that account was about the LAST effort to get Aidid which failed. What it didn't cover was the other opportunities, by other means- not to capture him but to kill him- which PRECEEDED that last fateful effort. And there were others, if you know what I mean. People have no idea how close Aidid was to buying the farm when Clinton turned chicken and wouldn't give permission. I suppose he was worried about the political fallout of killing Aidid outright, given the prohibitions on assassination, and 'perhaps'- just maybe- was more interested in discrediting the service. Finding Aidid was never a problem. The will to take him out was the problem. That's what I mean when I say it was 100% political. Aidid was in the bag, quite literally, before the UN even pumped his power with all their food aid.
19 posted on 10/07/2001 2:37:47 AM PDT by piasa
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To: piasa
Even after being put in an exposed position, and denied access to heavy armor, the Rangers took out 100 Somalis for each man they lost. The "failure" was indeed of the leadership at the top, not the courage, determination, or fighting skills of the Rangers. Les Aspin as Sec Def? Give me an f***ing break!
20 posted on 10/07/2001 4:30:51 AM PDT by jpthomas
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