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U.S. says bus crash apparently "random" event
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| Wednesday, October 3, 2001
Posted on 10/03/2001 6:29:40 AM PDT by JohnHuang2
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To: JohnHuang2, Loopy
I wonder if this Croatian bus-jacker may not be an Albanian Muslim with a Croatian passport. Bus jackings are an Albanian passtime. From the BBC:
Greek police kill bus hijacker
The Greek authorities say an armed Albanian man who hijacked a bus has been killed. All the hostages were freed safely.
The hijacker was shot dead by police after being disarmed by one of his hostages, an off-duty conscript soldier, according to Greek Defence Minister Akis Tsohatzopoulos.
The minister contradicted earlier police accounts, which said elite forces had burst into the bus and disarmed the hijacker, who had apparently been carrying hand grenades.
Earlier, the man had released two of his seven hostages, keeping the others on board the bus, which he had hijacked near the port of Thessaloniki.
Police had surrounded the vehicle and were negotiating with the man, who was said to have demanded money and a safe passage to Albania.
The hijacker took control of the bus on Wednesday and apparently tried to cross into Albania. But the vehicle was stopped on a country road about 10km east of the northern town of Florina.
Some 50 people were on board when it was seized, but most were later set free.
The hijacker threatened to kill the remaining hostages if the police tried to intervene.
It was the second time in less than two months that an Albanian citizen had hijacked a Greek public bus.
On the first occasion, the bus was eventually stormed by Albanian special police units. The hijacker and one of the nine hostages were killed in the cross-fire.
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posted on
10/03/2001 7:36:44 AM PDT
by
Pericles
To: JohnHuang2
Throw all noncitizens out of the country.
Throw all muslims out of the country.
Close the borders.
Then start working on the citizen-traitors who let this all happen.
62
posted on
10/03/2001 7:37:08 AM PDT
by
caddie
To: det dweller too
I said --
Isn't this an OVER-REACTION -- for a single-bus-event, somewhere in the country. I can't imagine Greyhound Bus Lines suspending all bus service across the country -- because of something like this. If they did that, then either they're idiots -- or -- there is something more here that the public is not being told. So, what is it?
You said --
I disagree. When we grounded all planes on 9/11 I have heard several news articles about groups of arab speaking men arguing and suddenly leaving departure gates. I also heard that a passenger on the bus said the man who attacked the driver was anxiously asking for the time repeatedly before the attack. It does not take much to figure there may be a connection. All we need to look at is the actions in Israel to see this is the way the terrorists will act.
Well, you see..., that was my point. It was a stupid thing to do -- UNLESS -- they knew something more than they are saying right now. You are pointing out the very thing that I'm implying there. It's not stupid -- IF -- there is something more to it (which is not in the reports that we are hearing). You know how the authorities and officials never say any more than they have to. This kind of action by Greyhound indicates something further than we've been told.
To: JohnHuang2
9;36 am...Coffee County TN near Manchester Driver alive in surgery at Manvhester hospital, six confirmed dead, 32 more people injured many taken to Vanderbuilt medical sent by Lifeflight. Suspected knifer holds Croatian papers. TBI, FBI, State patrol, Emergency management on the scene and at the hospitals. All this via Chanel 2 news Nashville. Buses still not operating.
64
posted on
10/03/2001 7:39:41 AM PDT
by
D. Miles
To: Loopy
and all you can think to do is call it tinfoil hat. I wasn't "calling it tinfoilhat," I was bumping it to the tinfoilhat list, so that the more conspiracy-minded can look at it. The characterization of the attack as "random" certainly makes it of interest to such people.
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posted on
10/03/2001 7:40:43 AM PDT
by
B Knotts
To: Peach, vooch, Loopy
What is the name on the Croatian passport, Peach? And is it a valid one? Remember the 9/11 terrorists used fake IDs etc.
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posted on
10/03/2001 7:45:29 AM PDT
by
Pericles
To: hispanarepublicana
Right. He was on a schedule to coordinate with other terrorists, on other buses. Just one problem. He didn't have a watch and had to get the time from other passengers.
Some terrorist.
To: All
The driver of the bus described his attacker as "middle eastern." This from the doctor who treated him in Manchester hospital as reported in a live interview with news channel 4 Nashville.
To: marshmallow
Some terrorist. It sounds like maybe they are having to bring in their J.V. third string, because the 1st and 2nd string varsity are in FBI custody.
To: spectre
BTW, a trained terrorist would have had a watch on him...probably a Rolex. Just my 2 cents.I thought that was strange, too. If he had only little money he could have bought a cheap watch for under $10.00. Maybe he wanted people to notice what time he slashed the driver's throat?
70
posted on
10/03/2001 7:50:41 AM PDT
by
syriacus
To: concerned about politics, B Knotts
Bus-jackings have happened several times before, just not in the USA. With security at airports tight you move on to the next commuter service.
71
posted on
10/03/2001 7:51:26 AM PDT
by
Pericles
To: Zorobabel
No it can't be...this is random, did't you read what the US Gov't Official said?
72
posted on
10/03/2001 7:51:32 AM PDT
by
Loopy
To: Pericles
Haven't heard a name yet, Pericles. Many false passports and names used and it will probably take time to sort out. Waiting for info and waiting to start bombing is hard but I'm trying for patience.
73
posted on
10/03/2001 7:52:19 AM PDT
by
Peach
Comment #74 Removed by Moderator
To: JohnHuang2
Fox reported that the guy who did it was holding a Croatian passport.
75
posted on
10/03/2001 7:55:17 AM PDT
by
bluetoad
To: hispanarepublicana
It sounds like maybe they are having to bring in their J.V. third string, because the 1st and 2nd string varsity are in FBI custody. Maybe he wanted to help his fellow terrorists but is afraid to fly or gets air sick.
76
posted on
10/03/2001 7:55:37 AM PDT
by
syriacus
To: B Knotts
So, what's the significance of repeatedly asking the time? Since this was the only instance of this type of attack, and the other buses were halted only some time after this attack, it doesn't appear that this was a coordinated attack at all.
Obviously, we'd all like some more information about the attacker. The fact that he was a foreigner from the Balkans makes us wonder if he was doing this as a terrorist attack, but it's less obvious than if he were carrying an Egyptian passport and was obviously arab.
Certainly this type of attack wouldn't be something orchestrated by bin Laden. He goes for the more spectacular stuff. In the overall scheme of things, this is pretty small potatoes.
My own guess is that this guy had mental problems. If he is a Moslem, then perhaps he was literally on a Jihad and doing his part to kill Americans independently of any outside direction.
But it's also completely possible that this guy was a simple nutcase, and the repeated asking about the time seems to bolster that, in my opinion.
77
posted on
10/03/2001 7:57:18 AM PDT
by
Dog Gone
To: caddie
There are at least 7 million muslims in the U.S. There are more Lebanese here than in Lebanon. There are muslim top executives at a variety of U.S. companies including Goodyear and Ford. Many came to this country seeking freedom; political, economic and religious.
It is not in our interest or consistant with what America stands for, to target all Muslims.
78
posted on
10/03/2001 8:00:15 AM PDT
by
Z.Hobbs
To: Dog Gone
I'm not saying whether it's a conspiracy or not...but I agree that there is at least some strange stuff going on here.
79
posted on
10/03/2001 8:00:16 AM PDT
by
B Knotts
To: Loopy
Well they are saying that witnesses on the bus said the perp was continually looking at his watch, and asking the driver alot of questions about destination and reststops before te sudden attack. Heis definitely a middle eastern man, thick accent, 5' 11" tall. That straight from the doctor who was preparing the driver for surgery.
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