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Strategy: Crack Force Set to Prise Bin Laden from his Lair
News Telegraph - UK ^ | 9/30/01

Posted on 09/29/2001 8:18:29 PM PDT by GVnana

Crack force set to prise bin Laden from his lair

By Macer Hall (Filed: 30/09/2001)

SPECIAL forces units are preparing to launch underground attacks on the network of tunnels and caves that conceal Osama bin Laden and his guerrilla fighters.

The SAS and American elite troops will attempt to penetrate the fortified subterranean hideouts to kill or capture terrorists under plans being drawn up by military strategists for a "warning shot" in the war against terror.

Commanders know, however, that such close-quarter combat under the mountains of southern Afghanistan could lead to heavy casualties.

Historically, Afghan fighters have used their detailed knowledge of the caves and hidden trails through the mountains to defeat invaders. Their ability to strike with surprise, then vanish, was the key to their success against the Soviet Army in the 1980s.

Bin Laden's forces have burrowed a complex web of tunnels and caves beneath the mountains. Each base is defended by gun emplacements and anti-aircraft missiles launchers. The networks have dozens of escape tunnels and are linked to observation posts on mountain sides.

An assault on one or more of the caves would need a substantial force of aircraft, artillery and airborne troops to support it. Air strikes with deep penetration weapons would begin the attack, to knock out defences and to blast holes into the caves.

The United States could launch Tomahawk Block III missiles, which are guided by the Global Positioning Satellite system and have 1,000lb warheads, from submarines or warships in the Gulf. For greater accuracy, GPS-guided GBU28 "bunker busting" bombs could be dropped by F15E Eagles, F16 Fighting Falcons or other attack aircraft.

Then a special forces team would be deployed by helicopter - CH-53 Sea Stallions are an option - to attack guerrillas flushed out by the bombing and infiltrate the tunnels. In addition to the SAS and US Delta Force, other elite units with mountain fighting capability may be involved in an attack, including the Americans' 75th Ranger Regiment and the Royal Marines 3 Commando Brigade.

Charles Heyman, the editor of Jane's World Armies, said: "It would be a very difficult operation, there is no doubt about that. Commanders will want a lot of troops and aircraft as well as artillery in support because many defences may still be in place after air strikes.

"The classic terrorist tactic is to desert these places and move away and not get themselves caught by properly organised military forces of any sort. But if there are people trying to defend them, you could have a really bloody battle on your hands."

Contingency plans for airlifting casualties out of the battle zone will also be necessary. American strategists are drawing on the experiences of the "tunnel rats" of the Vietnam War, the US soldiers who, armed with grenades, pistols and torches, fought in the hundreds of miles of tunnels dug by Communist guerillas.

While military technology has moved on, with thermal imaging equipment used to track enemies, the battle would come down to the same techniques of hand-to-hand fighting in claustrophobic conditions.

The terrorists' tunnels are believed to be able to conceal thousands of fighters for months. They include dormitories and other living quarters, communication centres and armouries stacked with Kalashnikov rifles, mortars, ammunition and explosives.

Some of the caves have lighting and electricity supplied by generators and makeshift systems of hot water pipes for heating. Al-Qaeda fighters live a sparse existence with just the Koran for comfort.

Bin Laden was known to be based in a cave in a mountain range above Jalalabad in eastern Afghanistan, the subterranean centre of his global terror network, until disappearing before the US hijack attacks.

His underground lair was reported to have a library of Islamic texts, an arms store and a communication room including computers, faxes and a satellite telephone.


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To: 1John
This is a very good observation. The temperature of the ground is very constant, in the neighborhood of 55 to 60 deg F. Any forced or natural convection of warm air out of a tunnel is easily detected, especially when the abient surface air temperature is 32 deg or less--- like Afghanistan in winter.
41 posted on 09/29/2001 9:46:44 PM PDT by BigBobber
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To: WRhine
Can they be programmed to wield a gurkha? (sp.)
42 posted on 09/29/2001 9:49:00 PM PDT by GVnana
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To: LarryLied
I've got an idea. Transcribe the comments on this thread into Arabic and carpet bomb all of Afgan with the leaflets.
43 posted on 09/29/2001 9:51:00 PM PDT by umgud
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To: P-Marlowe
Just fill all the caves and tunnels with Amonium Nitrate and Fuel oil, wire it to a triggering device and and stand back

Works for yellow-jackets. It'll prolly work on yellow-afghans.

44 posted on 09/29/2001 9:51:33 PM PDT by Rightwing Conspiratr1
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To: BigBobber
Bin Laden may feel safe from bombs in his little cave. He will not feel safe when fuel is pumped in his ventilation shafts and ignited.

This is a great thread with great ideas. I think we can rest assured that many of the ideas mentioned here are being worked on in great detail by our armed forces. When GW said he is going to smoke em out I believe he was sending a message to Bin Laden et al that they will be literally smoked out of their caves like so much vermin.

45 posted on 09/29/2001 9:53:06 PM PDT by WRhine
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To: PUGACHEV
I think you are right. I think the plan is to introduce fire or chemicals into the caves and then kill every man who comes running out. I hope they slaughter them by the truckloads.
46 posted on 09/29/2001 9:53:21 PM PDT by NoControllingLegalAuthority
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To: BigBobber
Actually, at a depth of 4 feet, the ground temperature the world around (including the Mojave, the Sahara, the Kalihari, even Antartica (if you could dig down through the ice pack) is 54 degrees. This is why "cool tubes" work so very well. But don't get me started on that subject...............
47 posted on 09/29/2001 9:54:43 PM PDT by 1John
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To: hc87
He is still there and we will get his murdering ass. We have the best weapons in the world, the best special forces fighting men and 280 million pissed people cheering them on!
48 posted on 09/29/2001 9:57:11 PM PDT by NoControllingLegalAuthority
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To: super175
I've heard on the news the B-52s are already stationed at Diego Garcia, the British island in the Indian Ocean. Waiting for the word.
49 posted on 09/29/2001 9:58:39 PM PDT by GVnana
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To: Recovering_Democrat
Well, we've got this no first strike thing, but then Rumsfeld has said we aren't ruling out anything. Hmm hmm hmm.
50 posted on 09/29/2001 10:01:02 PM PDT by GVnana
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To: elfman2
Since those rats like Chemical weapons I say we seal the cave`s openings, then drill down into them and pump them FULL of nerve gas. Remember Vasques from Aliens, "we have seven canisters of CN20, I say we roll them in and nerve gas the whole F---ing nest!"
51 posted on 09/29/2001 10:06:05 PM PDT by nomad
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To: NoControllingLegalAuthority
You can be sure that our special forces have seen the footage from September 11...they will show no mercy.
52 posted on 09/29/2001 10:08:20 PM PDT by Keith
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To: 1John
Also the ideal temperature for wine storage. (But I guess that's off topic.)
53 posted on 09/29/2001 10:10:39 PM PDT by GVnana
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To: 1John
Thanks. I couldn't remember the exact temperature. All I know is, when underground, no matter what time of year, a light jacket is all you need to feel comfortable.
54 posted on 09/29/2001 10:11:26 PM PDT by BigBobber
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To: GVgirl
I've got a nice little plan that could finish those in the caves with NO casualties .....

Chlorine Gas .... it sinks in cave and sewer systems and would seem to be a very appropriate response considering the plans they had with cropdusters.

55 posted on 09/29/2001 10:11:41 PM PDT by Centurion2000
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To: GVgirl
I fear for them too, so I try to say a little prayer each time I think of them. But, I fear even more for our country and the rest of the civilized world if we don't fight this evil with everything we have.

I keep fantasizing that they find bin Laden, kill him, cut out his heart and stuff it in his mouth, then Fed-ex the corpse to Saddam Hussein. Brutal, I know, but somehow we need to make those monsters fear us, and it would be so much better for the world if we can do that without nuking the entire Middle East into a sheet of glass.

56 posted on 09/29/2001 10:13:07 PM PDT by walden
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To: BigBobber
Well, I live not far from Oregon Caves National Monument. Take the tour and you learn a lot. Also, cool tubes work really great here using the principle of the heat mass of the earth at four feet.
57 posted on 09/29/2001 10:15:02 PM PDT by 1John
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To: NoControllingLegalAuthority
I sure hope we do. And then Saddam.
58 posted on 09/29/2001 10:16:14 PM PDT by hc87
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To: 1John
G'night all. Can't wait to visit this thread in the AM. Tomorrow I'll explain all about cool tubes.
59 posted on 09/29/2001 10:19:17 PM PDT by 1John
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To: Centurion2000
Kinky!
60 posted on 09/29/2001 10:21:12 PM PDT by GVnana
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