Bin Laden Family Could Profit From a Jump In Defense Spending Due to Ties to U.S. Bank

Wall Street Journal Online ^ | September 27, 2001 | DANIEL GOLDEN, JAMES BANDLER and MARCUS WALKER

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If the U.S. boosts defense spending in its quest to stop Osama bin Laden's alleged terrorist activities, there may be one unexpected beneficiary: Mr. bin Laden's family.

Among its far-flung business interests, the well-heeled Saudi Arabian clan -- which says it is estranged from Osama -- is an investor in a fund established by Carlyle Group, a well-connected Washington merchant bank specializing in buyouts of defense and aerospace companies.

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I don't "attack," but I do admit to using sarcasm a great deal. I grew up with it. It's what I do! *G* Hey, my dad has a doctorate in education from Peabody College for Teachers, and my two sisters and my mother all have at least bachelor's degrees. All of us graduated "cum laude" at some degree. It was, "fend for yourself or get squashed" in my family! I majored in music, then went back and majored in journalism and psychology. Then it was "master's time" in psych! (I didn't know what I wanted to do!!) I'm 39, BTW. I'm not retirement age or anything. But old enough! *G* I'm disabled at the moment, although I do continue to write. (I'm a professional freelancer now.) So don't be too rough on my little disabled self?! (Yeah, right?!) *VBG*

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Thanks, WIMom; thought you might be interested! ;-}

[Askel5]

If one takes the time to carefully read Larry's complaints of the last year, most of the "proof" in his "investigations" amount to only a news story in a newspaper or a letter sent to a group or individual in which Larry made demands and the group or individual did not comply.

Howsa 'bout this:

Perhaps whoever's in office uses Klayman as damage control.

First, they set him up to bilk both money and loyalty from the like of my (extremely astute) grandfather and me by having him be the sole defender of folks like Tripp and investigator of FBI files, Travelgate and such. He even has his staff (many of whom I've met) send out a newsletter which content makes most conservative rags look like fiscal conservative DNC centrists by comparison.

Having profiled him, then, as an uncompromising watchdog who'll ferret out the facts and refuse to compromise objective truth (no matter where the chips fall or whether he tromps on someone's sentimental attachment to a politico) they sic him on the GOP.

The immediate reaction: betrayal, outrage, disbelief. Those who cheered him turning on him like yard dogs and savaging him at every opportunity.

Why does he take the abuse? BECAUSE HE MUST. It falls to Klayman to snakebite all manner of embarrassing detail regarding corruption, scandal so that his now LEGION critics can decry, disprove and DISMISS AS A MATTER OF COURSE his every pronouncement.

That's how that game works.

Now, naturally, that would expose the GOP as a bit more bright than we're generally led to believe (what with the way the likes of Bubba & Co. running circles around them for 8 years straight).

But if you can think of another scenario which makes sense, I'd love to hear it.

I find it extremely hard to believe that Klayman and Krewe are either rolling in the schmollen OR getting some kind of sado-masochistic kicks out of ensuring ALL and sundry loathe and despise them.

[Askel5]

months ago when The Guild was still more of an investigative group

Are you going to ask or shall I?

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It's about the perception of power. I am obviously not as well-versed on Klayman and Krewe as many here are, but it's not hard to see what they're after! They want a "following," and what they perceive as respect from the easily misguided. It's always about power. Not necessarily money. And if they make themselves "targets," then they are "martyrs" of the "abuse." From what I've seen, a terribly pathetic grab for attention.

[Deb]

Klayman is deeply disturbed.

I remember after the FR rally in Washington how impressed with him I was, and a very high-profile FReeper in attendance remarked sadly, "He's a blow-dry, self-promoting phony". I didn't believe it. Now I do.

[Woodkirk]

A week ago A&E did a biography on Osama Bin Laden. The narrator stated that though the family has claimed to have disowned Osama, there is evidence that the family money still supports his enterprises.

[Irma]

Deb, I would not have believed it either back then. Now I do also.

[Registered]

I love bald women.

[deport]

… From what I've seen, a terribly pathetic grab for attention. ….

Well attention is part of it... but don't forget to send money....

Judicial Watch Inc., a tax-exempt, not-for-profit, Washington, D.C.-based watchdog, frequently promotes itself as an organization committed to bringing lawsuits to expose government corruption. But its tax forms show that it spent only 5.8% of the $12.4 million it raised from donors and foundations in 1998 on litigation. ........

.....The Form 990 reveals that while Judicial Watch spent more than $9 million on its education/fund-raising mailings, it spent only $718,626 pursuing its lawsuits--almost $280,000 less than it paid American Target Advertising, run by conservative direct-mail guru Richard Viguerie, to design and run its direct-mail campaign. ......

[Irma]

Why does he take the abuse? BECAUSE HE MUST.

On that much, we agree! LOL

IRMA: If one takes the time to carefully read Larry's complaints of the last year, most of the "proof" in his "investigations" amount to only a news story in a newspaper or a letter sent to a group or individual in which Larry made demands and the group or individual did not comply.

ASKEL5: But if you can think of another scenario which makes sense, I'd love to hear it.

Not only are my statements above which you italicized based on facts, Askel, you know that I could come right back to you and post examples if I wanted to do so. I don't make this stuff up. It is all in Larry's complaints if one chooses to read them.

Have you forgotten already what you once said?

Had he jumped on the Condit story (along with the other rubberneckers around here only too happy to fixate on this summer's "Elian Saga"), THEN INDEED he would be the grandstanding scumsucker so many try very hard to make him out to be.

81 Posted on 08/15/2001 13:26:20 PDT by Askel5

Should I post again all the Condit stories on Judicial Watch's website?

What do you think of his jumping on the terrorist tragedy?  Is that not grandstanding? I just counted 38 articles, one popup, a complaint, and even a POLL for Cripe's sake just on JW's opening page concerning the terrorist attack.

BTW, did you read his Hamas Terrorist complaint?  Did you see what he's basing his "facts" on? ***(Hint: It did not involve very much digging)***

Did you read  the press release he issued THE DAY AFTER THE ATTACK in which he accuses Bush as being part of the reason the attack occurred?

How could Klayman whip out this accusation so fast? If he had information regarding terrorist attacks before September 11, why didn't we heard Larry speak up warning us BEFOREHAND?  Or was he too busy with Condit?  And the California energy crisis?    And stem cells?  And Senator Jeffords?  And the recount? And the Chinese turnover of our downed plane? And Elian? And Donato?  And getting on FOX News?  etc. etc. etc. etc. etc.

[Irma]

P.S.

This has been baffling  me and since you've met some of the Judicial Watch staff, I thought you might know the answer.

When has Larry and JW EVER worked before Sept. 11 on countering terrorism?

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  ENLIST IN THE WAR AGAINST TERRORISM!

                        JUDICIAL WATCH NEEDS YOU!

                   (Washington, DC) Even before the September 11,
                   2001 tragedy, Judicial Watch, long respected for its
                   work against corrupt politicians, judges, and lawyers,
                   has been working on countering terrorism, through
                   legal actions, in the United States. The
                   no-holds-barred investigative and legal action
                   organization, based in Washington, DC, is leading
                   the independent non-governmental effort to identify,
                   locate and prosecute individuals responsible for
                   terrorist activity against the people of the United
                   States. As such, we are recruiting personnel to aid in
                   the crusade.

                                   Position Wanted
                                    Chief of Staff
                                      Lawyers
                                    Investigators
                                     Fundraisers
                         Secretarial and Administrative Personnel

                   You may submit your resumes and/or letters of
                   interests via facsimile (for prompt review) to: (202)
                   646-5199, Attention: Denise Underberg-Golden.
                   Excellent Salary and Benefits.

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Thanks in advance!

[deport]

Help wanted... positions to be filled

Fundraisers

Never, never forget to send money.... lol

[Howlin]

I don't need to call Klayman. If he HAD anything, you can bet he would have produced it with this stupid press release.

[Irma]

Larrymobile

 

[Howlin]

Yes, surely FUND RAISERS are needed. Poor Larry most be almost broke by now.

[Iwo Jima]

One more time, Deport, what's the website that you can use to access the latest IRS filings of a non-profit?

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Well attention is part of it... but don't forget to send money....

OMG!! When pigs fly, I'll send money!! Thanks for the 411!! Hmmmmmm -- this little group may need a little digging into. . . .

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ROFLMAO!!! I think that about nails it!!

[deport]

I'll look but I don't think I have it. I know by law if you write the 501c3 and ask for the data they have to provide it to you for the past three years... If I find the site I'll let you know......