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Bin Laden Family Could Profit From a Jump In Defense Spending Due to Ties to U.S. Bank
Wall Street Journal Online ^ | September 27, 2001 | DANIEL GOLDEN, JAMES BANDLER and MARCUS WALKER

Posted on 09/28/2001 10:08:18 PM PDT by Beep

Edited on 04/22/2004 11:45:33 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

If the U.S. boosts defense spending in its quest to stop Osama bin Laden's alleged terrorist activities, there may be one unexpected beneficiary: Mr. bin Laden's family.

Among its far-flung business interests, the well-heeled Saudi Arabian clan -- which says it is estranged from Osama -- is an investor in a fund established by Carlyle Group, a well-connected Washington merchant bank specializing in buyouts of defense and aerospace companies.


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To: Artist
#137 has the link, Artist.

Hope you are doing well!

181 posted on 10/01/2001 7:31:40 AM PDT by Mercuria
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To: Howlin
One thing about you, though, Askel, you always admit right up front where you're coming from. When you "strike" you always cop to it; you don't run off and say you've been misunderstood.

Of course I believe I'm misunderstood when FReepers indulge in the "I'm-a-victim-of-bloodshed-I'm-being-viciously-attacked" jeremiad when I MAKE A JOKE.

But I don't feel "victimized" over it.

I feel the whiners and snotty-remarks-online-but-would-they-say-this-to-your-face specialists are being SILLY and PETTY.

Obviously you don't believe someone should come to her own defense when she's being accused of "attacking" someone.

Sorry, ma'am, but Howlin's Last Word isn't the be-all and end-all, and I WILL defend myself against thoughtless accusations whether you like it or not.

182 posted on 10/01/2001 7:42:29 AM PDT by Mercuria
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To: Mercuria
I feel the whiners and snotty-remarks-online-but-would-they-say-this-to-your-face specialists are being SILLY and PETTY.

...........priceless.

183 posted on 10/01/2001 8:46:45 AM PDT by Howlin
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To: Askel5; Howlin; Irma; deport; Mercuria; ALL
Uh, yeah ... that was it. You began to make sense.

Addled by the Stoli I offered to share with Mercuria (some 2,000 miles away), I guess I just couldn't keep up.

Okay, Miss Smarty-Pantsuit! (*One for the Gipper!*) Now, I am becoming less and less tolerant of your pretentious superiority act! (How old are you, dear? You never added to the conversation on that subject, and I believe you must be incredibly young. Or incredibly immature! Youth, I can be tolerant of. Not so of immaturity.) No one is capable of making any sense except you and Mercuria in your word-challenged (you heard me!) little mind. That is soooo haughty, and ridiculous, I may hurl. Merc makes more sense than you do, Askel, and I will give her that. At least, she makes her point with a showing of tolerance and maturity. Yours can only be made while attempting to be Queen of the War!

What in the world is this business about your Stoli being 2,000 miles away from Merc? It was very very near and dear to you! (Askel: "**hic** -- I'm superior, and I'm pissed!! **hic**) Pissed, I'll agree with! BWAHAHAHAHAHA!! ("Pissed" means "drunkenly wasted" in GB and a few other European countries, you addle-brained child!) You are, without question, addled with something.

Come to think of it, if you are only going to respond to me with you blind attempt at sarcasm, please go back to ignoring me?! You addressed no facts at all; you just attacked and ran! Gawd! What are you?? Twelve?? Talk to me when you're a grown-up! ;-}

BHAHAHAHAHAHA!!

184 posted on 10/01/2001 8:59:19 AM PDT by Beep
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To: Askel5; Howlin; Irma; deport; Mercuria; WIMom; ALL
Oh yes -- Askel, what happened to your holier-than-thou statement about never attacking a person or post-er, and only attacking facts or issues?? What happened to the facts in this last posts of yours to me? There aren't any! All I see is a personal attack on me!! Personally. And a really weak one, at that! Help me out here, Howlin, Irma, deport?? You guys see any facts in that post of hers? Any issues?? Askel, Askel, Askel!! Please don't tell me that we now must add "liar" to your glorious list of attributes?!

Be who you purport to be, dear Askel. (Or don't purport!) *G* You are tooooooo funny!! Certainly, you did not slip because you were rattled by the ignorant and stupid likes of us?! ROFL!! You've been flushed, Askel. You finally showed your true colors! (I have always admitted to be being a sarcastic sort, while you held yourself to an announced Higher Standard!) The true Askel has appreared, and what a contradiction she is! What a piece of work!!

185 posted on 10/01/2001 10:11:05 AM PDT by Beep
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To: CheneyChick; Hillary's Lovely Legs; Billie; WIMom; pubmom; lodwick; swheats; Ladies Guild; ALL
PING! Please let me know if I have captured the essence of the Guild here?! As a newcomer, I felt a little odd about speaking on behalf of the Guild, so I wanted to make sure I provided an accurate representation?! Thank you, ladies!!
186 posted on 10/01/2001 10:20:58 AM PDT by Beep
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To: SLJP
I think you're doing the Guild proud, myself. For what it's worth.
187 posted on 10/01/2001 11:01:19 AM PDT by Askel5
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To: SLJP, Askel, Mercuria, Howlin, All
I'm sorry, SLJP - the guild is not one mind, or one voice - we are all individuals, and as such can either speak our own minds or remain silent. I never try to get in a shouting match with anyone, but I understand each person has a different way to handle differences. That's what makes us unique AND individual.
188 posted on 10/01/2001 11:06:10 AM PDT by Billie
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To: Billie ... very cool. Regards.

189 posted on 10/01/2001 11:07:56 AM PDT by Askel5
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To: SLJP
Please leave my name off the catfight.
190 posted on 10/01/2001 11:14:33 AM PDT by CheneyChick
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To: Askel5
Out of curiosity --

Did you forget your "/sarcasm?"

I find it exponentially arduous to believe that you would actually proffer a compliment to me. No disrespect or offense to you intended, of course. ;-}

191 posted on 10/01/2001 11:14:37 AM PDT by Beep
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To: SLJP
Uncle ...
192 posted on 10/01/2001 11:19:06 AM PDT by Askel5
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To: Billie; Askel5; Mercuria; Howlin; WIMom; ALL
Oh -- I know that Billie! That goes without saying. What I was wanting you to see is the post where I replied to the incessant demands coming from Askel5 and Mercuria, as to the "purpose" of the Guild. Their, "Are you an investigative group as you claim to be? And if not, then what exactly is the purpose of the Guild?" I don't expect anyone to help me fight my "battles." *G* On this one -- I firmly believe I have it covered! *G* But I did make a rather long speech about the purpose of the Guild's existence, and I wanted to be sure that I didn't misrepresent the Guild's "reason for being." That's all I was concerned about. Truly!! I do believe I pointed out, in that post, the each individual does what she can to further our cause (the "cause" being what was in question). If I did not capture the essence of the Guild in that one explanatory post, then I wanted to let other Guild members have the opportunity to correct me!

Thanks Billie!! ;-}

193 posted on 10/01/2001 11:31:00 AM PDT by Beep
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To: CheneyChick
No, no, no -- please, you misunderstand!! I was referring only to the post where I explained (after being pushed and interrogated) what I believed to be the "essence of the Guild's existence." That was all. I didn't want to speak for the Guild in my summary, being new, and I thought it only right to have established Guild members review that one post only, and correct me as necessary. That's all. I would never drag anyone into a "catfight," or difference of opinion. I didn't like being condescended to because I was in the Guild, and I had to speak up. But the only post I wanted you to review was where I explained my perception of the reason for the Guild's existence. That's the only reason I pinged you! I promise!!
194 posted on 10/01/2001 11:41:13 AM PDT by Beep
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To: SLJP
About the purpose of the Guild and what you said here.......

Okey-dokey then. . . . About the Guild. Let me tell you what I've observed about the Guild and why I post on those threads. I believe I can also answer the question as to their current purpose.

We'll start with the latter. When I joined, it was in the aftermath of 9/11. The purpose of the Guild, according to what I have read there, has been shifted as a result. Their current purpose is to provide support for our President, his staff, the folks at Ground Zero/Ground Hero, the victims and families of the 9/11 attack, the brave young men and women who serve in our military, and the eradication of terrorism. The Guild is searching to do this on many levels, and is currently investigating the possible ways its members can serve their country. No task is too small or unappreciated. Admirable, IMHO.

As for the tone of the Guild -- it is more tongue-in-cheek than not about being a "ladies' society." Humor is the norm and the rule, rather than the exception. The Guild also is a "safe harbor" (not having a thing to do with whether or not it is "landlocked," Andy Rooney! ;-p), where we know we will not be flamed, ridiculed, mocked, or judged. We can just relax, let loose, and be ourselves.

If we so choose, we can also feel free to engage in intelligent discourse concerning current events, history, and everything in between. As an added bonus, the Guild members also truly care about each other, and provide support to each other when needed. The Guild is comprised of members who are also conscientiously aware of their spirituality. The bulk of its members, if not all, are Christians. We pray for each other as needed, and share uplifting Biblical scriptures and concepts. Again, admirable.

I do agree with you here. You said it well.

195 posted on 10/01/2001 11:48:38 AM PDT by Billie
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To: Billie
Thank you, Billie! That's all I wanted confirmation on! I appreciate your reading it and letting me know that my perceptions were correct. I just didn't feel comfortable summarizing the Guild on the main forum, since I am such a new member. I would have felt funny about it had I not brought in some seasoned Guildettes to read that summary, and correct me if was wrong about any part of it. Thank you for letting me explain, and reading that post, and letting me know your feelings on what I wrote. I appreciate you very much! ;-}
196 posted on 10/01/2001 11:57:54 AM PDT by Beep
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To: Mercuria
Since I have been at the Guild since the very being, I will answer your questions.

The Guild started off by investigating the theft of White House property by the Clintons. It then evolved to investigating the Clinton Pardons. It is now an activist group. We have several projects and letter writing campaigns. We try to make a difference. A POSITIVE difference.

We will be supporting our troops when we go to war. That's what we do. We try to help. We support our President. We support America.

I know that The Guild is not your cup of tea, and that's fine, we are all different people with different views. I am sorry if you have the wrong impression of us, but as a long time and orginal member I would like to extend an olive branch and call a truce. Please do not judge us by some posters who feel that they represent The Guild, who honestly know nothing about us.

197 posted on 10/01/2001 11:58:20 AM PDT by Hillary's Lovely Legs
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To: SLJP
"Incessant demands"?

Whatever. I think maybe less than 5% of my posting on this thread dealt with the issue.


The Guild also is a "safe harbor" (not having a thing to do with whether or not it is "landlocked," Andy Rooney! ;-p), where we know we will not be flamed, ridiculed, mocked, or judged. We can just relax, let loose, and be ourselves.

You don't seem to be having much of a problem "relaxing" and "letting loose" here.

It might be an "extended news" thread, but that gives nobody there license to incite gang-flame wars against non-Guild members on other threads. I think most of them understand that and respect it, but several of them don't.

Please bear in mind that the freedom to "be yourselves" on The Guild thread doesn't give anyone there license to go outside that thread to flame, ridicule, mock, or judge others who do not belong to the club. No-one, according to the rules of Free Republic, has a green light to personally attack another member, or to try to get reinforcements for the express purpose of putting dissenters down. Not me, not Guild members, no-one.

Just friendly advice to a newbie.

198 posted on 10/01/2001 12:19:51 PM PDT by Mercuria
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To: Hillary's Lovely Legs
I was only wondering about what The Guild has been up to these days, since I have not ventured onto the threads in quite some time. (Obviously...if I didn't know that Howlin was not as active there. She might find that suspect, but that's the fact of the matter.)

I'm supporting our troops as well. I wish more answers and details were forthcoming about what all happened before those troops were committed (now WHY do I get the feeling we're not being told everything?), but I pray every day for the truth to come forward, for a quick resolution to all this, and for our troops to be home just as quickly as possible.

Thanks for answering my question. It was asked with good intent, I assure you.

199 posted on 10/01/2001 12:31:46 PM PDT by Mercuria
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To: Mercuria; Askel5; Howlin; deport; Irma; swheats; ALL
My apologies if the "incessant demands" part was misleading; it involved both you and Askel, and with the two of you put together (which is what I meant to begin with), it was the major topic of conversation for a while.

Now -- obviously, I am a numbskull and have no clue as to what I'm talking about when it comes to the LG. I did preface my post about their threads with noting that they were "my observations." I never claimed to speak for the LG. In fact, I pinged them because I felt it was the right thing to do, lest I misrepresent and not realize it.

Also, as I wrote in a previous post, I do use sarcasm a lot. If this were actually a mud-slinging, artery-slicing, FReeper-bashing free-for-all, it would read a good deal differently. I, myself, punctuate my posts with grins and smilies, so those reading them know that this is off-the-cuff discussion, sprinkled with good-natured teasing on my part. I do make certain points that I feel should be brought up, but I don't actually take to hurting anybody's feelings. If I have done so, I am truly sorry. It was all meant in the spirit of harmless fun. A bit of light verbal volleying, as it were. Merc, you and Askel both do the same thing. I figured you'd catch on to that?! Since you don't know me, you may not understand my style as yet. Any suggestions on a pre-post warning I can tack onto my posts on the forum in the future, so everyone will know?? *G*

At any rate, since I was so ignorant and off-base about the LG, I have tendered my resignation, effective immediately. I was told I was wrong, I received heated punitive FReepmail, and I finally discovered what the LG (or some of them) truly think of me. Therefore, I must retract my personal observations in that explanatory post. Most of it is not true, especially the last paragraph or so. I learned that the hard way.

Yesterday, their saying for the day was, "If men knew what others truly were saying about each other behind their backs, there would not be four friends in the world." Self-fulfilling prophecy. I should have been prepared. I wasn't. I don't say anything nasty behind people's backs that I haven't said to their face. I don't operate that way.

This has been a most lightening thread. Thank you, LG! ;-}

200 posted on 10/01/2001 1:52:36 PM PDT by Beep
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