That is probably both a great justification and one that will set their blood boiling, too...
Fire away...
The Taliban has been carrying on ethnic cleansing for years. Rights for women? Forget about it. Children's rights? If you agree with the state, they won't shoot you. Different culture, philosophy, race or religion either convert or...shoot them, or imprison and torture them. They are not like us.
These terrorists don't want to "understand" you. They care nothing for your philosophy, or sophistication. They use machetes on children, rape and genitally mutilate women, have kidnapped the children of unwilling neighbors and sent their heads back in a hatbox, peeled skin slowly away from prisoners until they die of pain, they don't care about "fairness," juries, or free speech. It's their way or execution, the death penalty, no appeal, no delay, shot in the head where you stand, your children shot before you.
You can be forgiven for your ignorance, but there is no excuse for your ignorance of these terrorists while you're carrying on your naive campaign. By your actions, you hearten these very terrorists, strengthen their resolve and endanger Americans and our allies.
From: Survivors Describe Taliban "Killing Frenzy"
-brutal episode. We are talking about the systematic execution of perhaps 2,000 civilians, in large part because of their ethnic and religious identity. August, 1998.
Another argument would be, “I wouldn’t be insulted if a young lady refused to get into an elevator alone with me at night, if I was an unknown stranger. She would only be being prudent, not sexist.”
"Oh beloved of Allah… One of the Jews' evil deeds is what has come to be called 'the Holocaust,' that is, the slaughter of the Jews by Nazism. However, revisionist [historians] have proven that this crime, carried out against some of the Jews, was planned by the Jews' leaders, and was part of their policy… These are the Jews against whom we fight, oh beloved of Allah."
"On the other hand, [what is our belief] about the Jews? Allah has described them as donkeys who must carry the books of the Torah – but they have not carried them. Our belief, which is true, about the Jews is that Allah is angry at them. They are cursed with the curse of Allah in this world and in the hereafter. Therefore, we say to them out of friendship: 'Oh Jews, come to your senses, return to the true faith; you must convert to Islam…'"
"Our belief is that this war, between us and the Jews, will continue to escalate until we vanquish the Jews and enter Jerusalem as conquerors, [and] enter Jaffa as conquerors. We are not merely expecting a Palestinian state with Jerusalem as its capital; we are heralding [the creation of] an Islamic caliphate with Jerusalem as its capital…"
"Oh beloved of Allah, as we always say: When the battles between the Muslims and infidels begin, the martyrs and the slain Muslims will reach Paradise… in contrast, those who die not for the sake of Islam, after the deliverance of the message of the Prophet Muhammad… will end up in the fires of Hell…"1
Endnote:
(1) PA Television (PA), September 21, 2001.
Tell him the story from New York over the summer about the immigrant from India who was approached by a black family (a man, his brother, his wife, and a young child) whose car was broken down near Kennedy Airport. The Indian guy did not want to be a racial profiler, so when they asked him to drive them home he gladly agreed.
They ended up forcing him at gunpoint to drive to a deserted area, robbed him of his wallet and other personal belongings, then shot him to death, dumped his body on the street, and fled in his SUV.
Sometimes it pays to be a "racist."
And tell your "friend" that I said he's an @sshole. He probably has never been alone in a dark place with three minority males in his life, unless they were blind amputees.
Try to equate the terrorist bombings on a personal level with your bleeding heart liberal friend. What if your mother was on United flight 11? What if your daughter was vaporized in the WTC, Pentagon or Pennsylvania events? Don't let them off the hook, make it AS PERSONAL as you possibly can. These folks believe in "the greater good" or "one world order" until it smacks them upside the head.
PS: Most of my family share the views of your friends and I LOVE arguing with them...good luck!
Your not racist, your prejiduce. There is a difference. Racist means you judge and hate because of race, prejeduce is if you see a gang on teenage black men headed for you, you tuun the other way. EVERYBODY DOES THIS, IT IS HUMAN NATURE. If you saw a group of black teens headed for you, BUT YOU SEE THEM ALL CARRYING BIBLES you would be releived, wouldnt you. Yet they're STILL BLACK! wHY ARE YOU RELEIVED? If you were racist, you would hate them even if they carried bibles.
I was out playing roller hockey a few years ago with a bunch of guys in an empty parking lot. A police car pulled up, and the offier in the passenger seat got out and asked us if we had seen a black woman walking in the area within the last little while.
Nobody else did, but I had.
"I saw her," I said, "She walked past here along that sidewalk about 15-20 minutes ago. She was wearing a dark blouse and a long skirt or dress with a flowery pattern, and she was carrying a plain brown shopping bag. She crossed the street right here and walked through the parking lot across the street. I couldn't see if she went into that supermarket or walked around the other side."
The two officers thought I was joking.
"How the hell could you notice all that about some random person walking along the street, when none of these other guys saw her?"
"She wasn't a random person walking along the street," I said, "She didn't look like she belongs here and something about her wasn't quite right, so I kept an eye on her while everyone else was playing."
I don't know if they caught her, but she was wanted for shoplifting and may have been carrying the stolen merchandise in that shopping bag.
Anyone who tries too hard not to be a "racist" runs a serious risk of being a "victim."
Well there are certainly many things about the US for people in the Middle East to hate. Osama bin Laden and his Taliban buddies must rather dislike our habit of allowing women to go out in public with their faces uncovered. His admirers and financial supporters in Saudi Arabia certainly must be appalled by the behavior of women in American movies and television - if their women see too much of it they might start asking why they aren't allowed to drive cars, too.
And then there's this business of allowing Jews to live among us relatively unmolested - heck, not only do we not kill them, we mostly can't even be bothered to burn down their synagogues! This policy is quite unpopular both in Syria ("The Jews have tried to kill the principles of all religions with the same mentality with which they betrayed Jesus and in the same way they tried to betray and kill the prophet Muhammad." - Bashar al-Assad, President of Syria, upon meeting Pope John Paul II) and among Egyptians ("We express our thanks to Hitler, of blessed memory, who on behalf of the Palestinians took revenge in advance on the most vile criminals on the face of the Earth. Still, we do have a complaint against him, for his revenge on them was not enough." - from a column in Al-Akhbar, a paper sponsored by the Egyptian government.) On a similar note, we allow large statues of the Buddha to be built within our nation, and make no attempt to blow them up.
The spectacle of our presidents quietly leaving office every four or eight years must be deeply resented by the presidents of Iraq and Lybia, as it might give their subjects dangerous ideas.
I'm not going to claim that the US has never made a mistake or committed an abuse in its relations with the rest of the world. But for the US to change itself enough that the followers of bin Laden and Assad and Arafat no longer hate us would require changes to our political system, our culture, and to the way we treat women and religious minorities, that I'd rather not see us make.
If there are any (presumably feminist) women in the group you're dealing with, tell them that if we lose, they'll look real cute in a burka.
yeah, yeah, I'm feeling a bit exasperated with those kind of people, don't feel like fighting with them anymore because it's a waste of time. But the choice is yours. Feeling the way I do lately, that's what I would do.
Unless you're not white then you'd be "profiling" your own race because people from the Middle East are Caucasian or "white", so the idea this is racist is absurd. I think it's just being aware that there are foreigners in our country who intend to kill as many of us as they can and you aren't comfortable when you see foreigners you don't know and couldn't possibly predict their intentions.
How do we end terrorism without being impolite to Muslims?
Culture/Society Front Page Editorial Keywords: MUSLIM DISCRIMINATION
Source: Disgust at the news in general......
Published: 9/28/01 Author: HairOfTheDog
Posted on 09/28/2001 11:00:41 PDT by HairOfTheDog
How do we end terrorism without being impolite to Muslims?
Subtitle: Why are we so messed up that BLIND political correctness is our priority right now?
I am sorry that Muslims are being shouted at from pickup trucks... because shouting from pickup trucks is unseemly and ineffective. But constantly tripping over ourselves apologizing to Muslims who are just "normal Americans" is going to ensure that we lose.
These terrorists make an art of coming to this country, making friends and seeming very normal for many years, taking full advantage of our political correctness, our free right of travel, our education in universities, our flight training, and while they are here they study our weaknesses, not the least of which is our desire to be completely trusting and accepting of them.
The hijackers who did this did not wear "Terrorist in Training" T-shirts. They looked very much like those who claim to be unfairly treated now, and also look like those that I have seen walking through Seattle trying not to make eye contact with anyone... I am very vigilant at watching them now.... I wonder what they think, whether they know one of them, whether they are one of them. I know they feel me watching them, and I hope they are getting mad... Not mad at me, but mad at those among them that are causing my fear.
I guarantee that my mistrust of Middle-Eastern Muslims will grow and not diminish, until there are long lines of Muslims waiting at police precincts to report suspicious behavior among them, and until the interviews shown on television are NOT people of European decent full of guilt at their own mistrusting thoughts telling us how to behave and what to think.
My mistrust will diminish when those Middle-Eastern Muslims here in America are the most vocal about rooting out this problem. The problem is that those that are speaking up so far are those that feel victimized unfairly, or offer vague references that Islam is a religion of peace, and not terror. Clearly there are lots of Muslims who have read something else. Where are those that have overheard discussions, but did not participate? Where are those that have been approached to participate or give money, but chose not to? Where are those that were trusted enough to confide in, but did not decide to join? Or those that joined ethnic or Muslim groups they believed to improve people's lives, only to find out that the real mission was something very different? Where are those that are vocal about exposing those among them that are the problem? Until they speak up, I will continue to mistrust all of them without feeling an ounce of guilt, because I refuse to feel guiltier than they do about these attacks on our country.
Remember grade school, when the teacher needed to know which student in the class had stolen Suzie's crayons? And all students were forced to stay after class until the guilty party confessed, or his friends ratted him out? Everyone in the class faced equal suspicion until the common desire to go to recess was greater than the embarrassment of confession. The peer pressure to end the detention of everyone turned toward finding the evil-doer within. Well, I for one will continue to blame the whole class rather than be made a fool of when they strike again while we do our best to be polite.
I have no doubt that America can take out all the terrorists and supporters that they find. But killing them from the outside will never really solve the problem. Weaken it maybe, make money harder to raise maybe, keep them running maybe, but we do not have a lock on craftiness and talent. Outsiders can never get them all, and will probably create more enemies as we try. Only "they" can solve this problem, and it is imperative that we compel them to do so, or assume they are guilty if they do not.
We should be very afraid that Muslims here and abroad that have been our friends when we could help them are only quietly and half-heartedly helping us now, trying not to be overly offensive to their own. We should be very afraid that Muslims in this country are silently trying to keep their heads down. I am very afraid that many Muslims in this country know more than they have admitted, and yet want the benefit of the doubt from me.
Let us not seem hysterical by shouting at them from pickup trucks, but let us never let political correctness allow us to be blindsided again...