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To: poet
literal translations from the Hebrew and Greek are difficult unless we know the meaning of the words in the respective languages:

I agree that we no doubt loose some of the meaning when we translate, but don't you think God allowed for that?

If it hadn't been for the recorded words of the disciples, (Through the Holy Spirit) we wouldn’t have an accurate record of a thing Christ said in his ministry, so wouldn't he make sure those disciples heard exactly what he wanted them to hear?

Any confusion would surely have been straightened out when the Holy Spirit guided them in what they wrote down, otherwise finding salvation would be like finding the magic word that opens all doors to the finder only, and your lost if you aren’t one of the blessed few.

It's like a Church I heard of in West Virginia that called it's self by one of God's Hebrew names, and they argued that God didn't hear your prayers unless you used his secret decoder ring name.

Salvation is not hidden or cloaked from us, it is the simplest thing in the New Testament to figure out, it's when you go beyond salvation’s needs that we start to complicate things and picking at words and intent rather then simple salvation.

Peter replied, Yea, Lord, Thou knowest everything, thou knowest that I feleo thee;
Christ asked him two times about Agopi love and Peter answered with Friendship love;

Peter heard Christ ask him the same question three different times,(Strongs Greek word #5368 Phileo love) and he got upset over it but even today, we humans take three times before anything get's our full attention, similar to the story we were told in the Corps about three on a match. #1 gets your attention, #2 you look for it and aim in the direction, #3 you fire when it shows the third time. I'm sure that it stuck with Peter, asking himself, why did he do that.

Christ asked him two times about Agopi love and Peter answered with Friendship love;

If this were true, it was Christ that failed to communicate to Peter what he was really asking him, and as Peter said,"Lord, thou knowest all things; thou knowest that I love thee."If Peter was confused, this response covered the whole matter, "thou knowest"

185 posted on 09/30/2001 11:15:17 AM PDT by JHavard
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To: JHavard
Christ spoke in precise terms and in parables and when the disciples did not understand, he wpold explain the parable.

I also use the Holy name Yahweh when speaking of the creator and it's not because I belong to any church. I haven't been in a church for 30 years because my Spirit is not uplifted by their sermons. Modern churces have no fire or passion and I have been to Catholic, Presbytarian, Mormon, Jehovah Witnesss sermons and none of them move me or inspire me.
In addition, they don't even obey Scripture relative to the Sabbath: Saturday is the seventh day not Sunday (check the dictionary). Pagan rituals and holidays have crept into our teachings. Do you deny that Christmas was instituted by the early church as a counter to the pagan Saturnalia celebration? How about Easter? Doesn't that have its derivation from Ishtar?

187 posted on 09/30/2001 6:17:50 PM PDT by poet
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