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"...Folks as a whole used to be far more brutal in their prejudices, ignorance and bigotry than is largely true at present. And in many ways the average American is more polite and considerate than was true a couple of generations ago...."

As is so often the case with your contributions, Torie, you enlighten by asserting the exact opposite of reality. Gutting all cultural loyalties, and then turing them into a methodist ice-cream social does not indicate "tolerance" or "politeness" and is, in fact, the antithesis of multiculturalism

Tolerance is the ability to let someone live who is not at all like you. Politeness is the ability to fear, loathe, sometimes abominate someone and still speak in the public square without killing them.

In my great-grandparents time more people held more diverse prejudicesas you call them and almost no one had locks on their doors. The country never engaged in a 78 day bombing campaign in order to teach a recalcitrant foreign People the lessons of "humanitarianism". Such brutality would have been unthinkable.

There is no ignorance as brutal as the ignorance of modern American tolerance-mongers because their prejudice is based upon the superstitious belief in the great god One--the Baal that consumes all individuality; the horrible idea that, really, underneath, we are all the same.

Doesn't it make you just a wee bit nervous when you realize that the United States was never as hated by the poor people of the world as we have been since we enshrined "tolerance" into our foreign policy? You really don't see the horrible paradox of that? No. Of course not. Paradox is a frightful thing to Enlightened folk. They like the clean, well lighted, antiseptic and safe ways of the women's "health" clinic--nothing more tolerant than that--eh?

Your kind Torie, is a killer. The fact that you display your vanquished as mummies in your museum of tolerance makes you no less awful to contemplate. You gut true diversity with the same relish that you gut the language.

Your kind Torie, is a killer. The fact that you display your vanquished as mummies in your museum of tolerance makes you no less awful to contemplate.

You and Askel5 are quite a pair. Maybe you'd make a good tag-team on WWF if you didn't bore the audience to death.

The country never engaged in a 78 day bombing campaign in order to teach a recalcitrant foreign People the lessons of "humanitarianism". Such brutality would have been unthinkable. Bill Clinton bombed the hell out of the Serbs so that he could build a false legacy. You can stick your paintbrush where the sun don't shine. I wasn't for bombing our historic allies, not was I for genocide against Muslims, if it were proven. Who the hell do you think you are, painting my nation with your skewed perspective, then expecting us to accept your bilge?

Askel, re-read Jonah before you write us all off. Just waht was it again that restrained God from raining fire down on Ninevah? Enjoy your dinner and drinks ... the cheesecake sounds marvelous.

You have a talent as a wordsmith, but that is about it. Americans did some very nasty things to folks with whom they disagreed in the past. They slaughtered American Indians almost as if they were animals. They volunteed for combat in New England in incredibly high numbers during the French and Indian War, because they wanted to drive the Papists out of North America. These hard bitten congregationalists were fanatically anti-Catholic. And then of course there was the slavery thing.

Ya the crime rate is up. That's what happens with urbanization, and the creation of an underclass, and the ready availabilty of all those goodies in a consumer society.

In any event, I suggest you read up some more on American history. It will be an eye opener.

Oh yes, and America is hated to a considerably degree, where it is hated, because it the world's superpower. I might add that it is my impression that America is considerably less hated in Latin America than it was 50 years ago. The animus really does seem to largely reside in certain precincts of the Muslim world (and of course in France). And that is because America has the courage sometimes when it counts to just say no.

I really have no particularly concern about America's role in the world. In any rational cost benefit analysis, America, and indeed the world, derives far more beneits than it accrues in costs from America's foreign policy. One one of those benefits is that folks like perhaps get less of what they might want in the world than would otherwise be the case.

"...Your kind Torie, is a killer...."

A bit of scenery chewing there, I'm afraid. I'm sorry.

(But it's all your fault, you know. If you didn't say the things you say, and think the things you do, I wouldn't have to chew the scenery....)