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To: LaBelleDameSansMerci
Oh yes, and America is hated to a considerably degree, where it is hated, because it the world's superpower. I might add that it is my impression that America is considerably less hated in Latin America than it was 50 years ago. The animus really does seem to largely reside in certain precincts of the Muslim world (and of course in France). And that is because America has the courage sometimes when it counts to just say no.

I really have no particularly concern about America's role in the world. In any rational cost benefit analysis, America, and indeed the world, derives far more beneits than it accrues in costs from America's foreign policy. One one of those benefits is that folks like perhaps get less of what they might want in the world than would otherwise be the case.

60 posted on 09/28/2001 4:35:49 PM PDT by Torie
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To: Torie
In any rational cost benefit analysis, America, and indeed the world, derives far more beneits than it accrues in costs from America's foreign policy. One one of those benefits is that folks like perhaps get less of what they might want in the world than would otherwise be the case.

(I assume that you meant "get less of what they might not want".) More Benthamite Nonsense. Yugoslavia.

More Benthamite Nonsense. Atomization. Working for the purpose of buying. License. Less humane personal liberty.

A well-made statement is worth repeating:

Our culture labors in an advanced state of decadence. What many people mistake for the triumph of our culture actually consists of forces that are disintegrating our culture. The vaulted democratic freedom of liberal society in reality is servitude to appetites and illusions that attack religious belief, that destroy community through excessive centralization and urbanization and efface life-giving tradition." --Russell Kirk .

65 posted on 09/28/2001 4:50:47 PM PDT by SwimmingUpstream
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To: Torie
In any rational cost benefit analysis, America, and indeed the world, derives far more beneits than it accrues in costs from America's foreign policy. One one of those benefits is that folks like perhaps get less of what they might want in the world than would otherwise be the case.

(I assume that you meant "get less of what they might not want".) More Benthamite Nonsense. Yugoslavia.

More Benthamite Nonsense. Atomization. Working for the purpose of buying. License. Less humane personal liberty.

A well-made statement is worth repeating:

Our culture labors in an advanced state of decadence. What many people mistake for the triumph of our culture actually consists of forces that are disintegrating our culture. The vaulted democratic freedom of liberal society in reality is servitude to appetites and illusions that attack religious belief, that destroy community through excessive centralization and urbanization and efface life-giving tradition." --Russell Kirk .

66 posted on 09/28/2001 4:51:10 PM PDT by SwimmingUpstream
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To: Torie

I might add that it is my impression that America is considerably less hated in Latin America than it was 50 years ago. The animus really does seem to largely reside in certain precincts of the Muslim world (and of course in France). And that is because America has the courage sometimes when it counts to just say no.

Don't get off the island much, do you? America is roundly despised throughout the entire former communist world by everyone except the former communists themselves, who have made a living pledging unyeilding fealty to the strong-man hovering over them. All others, who mistakenly saw the end of communism as an opportunity to finally decide for themselves how they were to be governed and by whom, are either quietly resentful of American meddling and bullying or openly disdainful. Ask Meciar supporters, Lukashenka supporters, Tudjman supporters, Csurka supporters, and all those leaders who didn't rush to privatize the national crown jewels to foreign multinationals and ended up being overthrown by a CIA-backed "people's uprising".

Anyone who has been abroad for more than a little holiday and who doesn't associate exclusively with the nomenklatura or its offspring knows that the U.S. is perceived abroad is with great dislike and suspicion -- kind of how the former USSR was viewed.

114 posted on 09/29/2001 8:15:07 AM PDT by Zviadist
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