Posted on 09/28/2001 12:26:25 PM PDT by Fury
Islam is the fastest growing religion in the World. Meanwhile, the West, traditionally identified as Christian, is dying out, mainly because we aren't reproducing ourselves.
Thank you for your opinion, but as enlightenment, it's totally useless.
The usual response from the disciple of the indefensible.
To paraphrase a famous line, "If it's true it's not arrogant".
You would eschew analysis because it defines in stark contrast what you would rather not see?
You must have a lot of broken mirrors at your house.
I infer from your pedantic whine that you hold that all cultures and societies are equally valuable, and you will kill us if necessary to convince us.
We choose to see a different panorama and would be content to see the backward primitive isolate himself and leave us be, if the best we can do is convey to him that we all are entitled to decide for ourselves.
But I guess that hateful envy of results prevents that doesn't it. A deadly thing, that seething resentful hateful envy.
As is so often the case with your contributions, Torie, you enlighten by asserting the exact opposite of reality. Gutting all cultural loyalties, and then turing them into a methodist ice-cream social does not indicate "tolerance" or "politeness" and is, in fact, the antithesis of multiculturalism
Tolerance is the ability to let someone live who is not at all like you. Politeness is the ability to fear, loathe, sometimes abominate someone and still speak in the public square without killing them.
In my great-grandparents time more people held more diverse prejudicesas you call them and almost no one had locks on their doors. The country never engaged in a 78 day bombing campaign in order to teach a recalcitrant foreign People the lessons of "humanitarianism". Such brutality would have been unthinkable.
There is no ignorance as brutal as the ignorance of modern American tolerance-mongers because their prejudice is based upon the superstitious belief in the great god One--the Baal that consumes all individuality; the horrible idea that, really, underneath, we are all the same.
Doesn't it make you just a wee bit nervous when you realize that the United States was never as hated by the poor people of the world as we have been since we enshrined "tolerance" into our foreign policy? You really don't see the horrible paradox of that? No. Of course not. Paradox is a frightful thing to Enlightened folk. They like the clean, well lighted, antiseptic and safe ways of the women's "health" clinic--nothing more tolerant than that--eh?
Your kind Torie, is a killer. The fact that you display your vanquished as mummies in your museum of tolerance makes you no less awful to contemplate. You gut true diversity with the same relish that you gut the language.
Being that it's my signature Puerto Rican Rum cheesecake I'll be making this evening ... it's quite possible both the meat and I will be marinating nicely
You certainly can turn a phrase. Go get those firefighters tiger.
I love Americans. I love the Koreans who run the deli. I love the Hondurans from whom I rent. I love the Brasilian who owns my favorite juice joint. I love the Mexicans who live next door. I love the Arabs who run Mona's. The African's who've opened Cafe Negrille seem pretty cool and I've always dug "T" at Siam.
All Americans and all the EPITOME of what I think of as "American" when it comes to hard work, tight family, neighborliness and patriotism (well, some Green Party action but it's a radical neighborhood and the overwhelming reaction has been flags flying and ribbons tied to all the trees on Elysian Fields.)
There is also the REARING, not aborting, of children.
There have been a couple children whose births were astounding to me. I guess I just assumed, given the politics or the situation, that abortion was going to be the ticket. Nope. It's the rearing of some of these kids I've watched from infant to first bike to grade school that fuels my arguments re: the monies necessary to rear good, healthy kids. If beatnik artists on bicycles and blue-collar working class sorts can manage, I fail to see how folks in the Burbs MUST have two jobs. All a matter of priorities, I guess.
The treatment of women, for instance
I've been following the eco-feminist and leftist banging of the drum on this issue since about '95.
Things are not always what they seem.
The obtuseness, instead of shedding light begins to sound more and more like Marx and Engels on LSD.
You and Askel5 are quite a pair. Maybe you'd make a good tag-team on WWF if you didn't bore the audience to death.
Our culture labors in an advanced state of decadence. What many people mistake for the triumph of our culture actually consists of forces that are disintegrating our culture. The vaulted democratic freedom of liberal society in reality is servitude to appetites and illusions that attack religious belief, that destroy community through excessive centralization and urbanization and efface life-giving tradition." --Russell Kirk
Askel, re-read Jonah before you write us all off. Just waht was it again that restrained God from raining fire down on Ninevah? Enjoy your dinner and drinks ... the cheesecake sounds marvelous.
The obtuseness, instead of shedding light begins to sound more and more like Marx and Engels on LSD.
What precisely do you refer to as obtuse? I can find little that is not either profound or brilliant in labelledamesansmerci's post #19. Regards
Ya the crime rate is up. That's what happens with urbanization, and the creation of an underclass, and the ready availabilty of all those goodies in a consumer society.
In any event, I suggest you read up some more on American history. It will be an eye opener.
Oh great, another windbag. Offer something substantive, if you can.
Oh, Bill Clinton did it all without any help from anyone? He had but 60 days to do that...
For an American you are remarkably ignorant of our institutional structures. Does the phrase "checks and balances" mean anything to you?
Do you really believe that? After all the Chinese managed to break tea with the great anti-communist Richard Nixon. Do you really think that little word game would make them forget that we killed a honeymooning couple in their embassy in Belgrade and then sneered about it--calling it a little "map problem."
Just because the American Government forgets (I've always thought it was a slander against the American People to claim that they always forget) doesn't mean that everyone else in the world does. Just because the American govenment seeks to de-nature all culture doesn't mean the Chinese, for all their "communism", share that goal.
By the way, when the Habs move to Orlando--THEN maybe you'll see the culture war my way. But it will be too late....
I really have no particularly concern about America's role in the world. In any rational cost benefit analysis, America, and indeed the world, derives far more beneits than it accrues in costs from America's foreign policy. One one of those benefits is that folks like perhaps get less of what they might want in the world than would otherwise be the case.
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