Posted on 09/27/2001 6:56:04 AM PDT by Tai_Chung
Explaining this away is going to take some inspired slithering, but I have confidence in you.
As an alternative, of course, you could apologize for your dishonest claim and resolve to post henceforth in a way that will win the respect of honest people. I merely mention this in passing...
You didn't mention that.
But then why would you when it doesn't fit your theory that it was just Gore that Hammer was in bed with. Truth is Hammer was just as cozy with Republicans as he was with Democrats. Being as how he was a crooked oil man you should've figured he just had to be connected to the Bushes.
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You're gonna have to do better than that
More lies; more distortion.
Armand Hammer was convicted, not for his real crimes, but for violating campaign finance laws in the 1970s. Bush Senior pardoned him years later when he was old and sick, which was in my opinion a mistake.
But your multi-color html distractions don't exonerate Gore Senior from acting on Hammer's behalf as an agent of Soviet influence.
Truth is Hammer was just as cozy with Republicans as he was with Democrats.
Please be so good as to provide evidence that refutes Zelnick's description of Gore as Hammer's primary contact in Congress. You'll understand our reluctance to take you at your word...
You might want to pay special attention to the following lines in this:
operations were carried out with the knowledge of, among others, President Ronald Reagan, Vice President George Bush [and others...]
All of the individuals charged were convicted, except for one CIA official whose case was dismissed on national security grounds and two officials who received unprecedented pre-trial pardons by President Bush following his electoral defeat in 1992.
For the intellectually challenged the first quote means Bush knew about it and was involved. The second one shows he covered it up.
Here is another Iran/Contra link about Bush.
The indictment contained documents revealing that President Bush had been lying for years with his claim that he was "out of the loop" on the Iran-contra decisions
"Our findings led us to the possibility not only that George Bush knew from the start, and was kept informed, but that the diversion actually ran through the office of the Vice President."
--Dan Rather in The Camera Never Blinks Twice, 1994.
"There is new written evidence tonight concerning what President Bush knew -- and when he knew -- about the secret deal that sent some of America's best missiles to Iran's Ayatollah Khomeini. The Grand Jury evidence raises new questions about whether Mr. Bush is telling the truth."
--Dan Rather on the CBS Evening News, October 30, 1992.
New York Times article
Mr. Weinberger was scheduled to stand trial on Jan. 5 on charges that he lied to Congress about his knowledge of the arms sales to Iran and efforts by other countries to help underwrite the Nicaraguan rebels, a case that was expected to focus on Mr. Weinberger's private notes that contain references to Mr. Bush's endorsement of the secret shipments to Iran.
In one remaining facet of the inquiry, the independent prosecutor, Lawrence E. Walsh, plans to review a 1986 campaign diary kept by Mr. Bush. Mr. Walsh has characterized the President's failure to turn over the diary until now as misconduct.
But in a single stroke, Mr. Bush swept away one conviction, three guilty pleas and two pending cases, virtually decapitating what was left of Mr. Walsh's effort, which began in 1986.
Mr. Walsh bitterly condemned the President's action, charging that "the Iran-contra cover-up, which has continued for more than six years, has now been completed."
Is that enough for you IT? I've got LOTS more....
Yeah, I use that same line a lot in reference to Bill Clinton. Freepers always engage in inspired slithering when repeating their charges against him(just because $100 million tax dollars worth of investigation couldn't hang a parking ticket on him doesn't mean you have to start telling the truth). Remember, unlike the lie you're trying to sell about Bush - when it comes to Filegate, Travelgate, Paula Jones, Vince Foster, Ron Brown, looting of White House/Air Force One and any of the other looney stories you've concocted - no one was ever charged, tried, convicted or pardoned.
As an alternative, of course, you could apologize for your dishonest claim
But I posted another link for you here. Nothing dishonest about me, hell I've got about a million more links on this.
and resolve to post henceforth in a way that will win the respect of honest people. I merely mention this in passing...
You merely try to BS your way out of this. Sorry Sparky I'm not letting you weasel out. You're trying to claim that Bush had nothing to do with Iran/Contra and the whole world knows that ain't so....
Please be so good as to provide evidence that refutes Zelnick's description of Gore as Hammer's primary contact in Congress.
Why? No crime was committed (remember - no evidence), why should I care if Gore Sr. was Hammers contact. Hammer was real nice to his friends - he gave Reagan a $1 million GIFT! Now we could say that was REAL INKY and that there was probably some quid pro quo there. But you know what, it wasn't illegal. Hammer was free to use Gore Sr. as a contact and free to give a $1 million gift to Reagan. This may come as a surprise to you but Congressman are THERE to be our contacts with the government.
You'll understand our reluctance to take you at your word...
Yeah, I know - the truth hurts and I've given you a ton of truth here to which you have YET to respond.
Unless, you loved the Sandinistas and got a woody over hamstringing counterintelligence.
Conservatives love America and American supremacy. Liberals feel guilt about everything and loathe their own existence.
The fact is, you lied the content of your own link, you lied about the nature of Hammer's conviction, and you lied about Hammer's relationship with Republicans. Now, for variety, you post some links to other liars, then hoot and thump your chest in absurd triumph.
Nothing dishonest about me...
And some people say leftists have no sense of humor.
Wow, an agent of Soviet influence! Just what exactly did Gore Sr. do on behalf of the Soviets? Was he ever charged with anything? Was he spying for the Soviets? Inquiring minds want to know?
You see, I won't fall for a typical "murky allegation with no support" kind of argument. If Gore Sr. actually DID something illegal to aid the Soviets then show us the proof.
Because without proof you can make up any wild ass innuendo about anybody. For instance, what if Gore Sr's brother was actually (and openly) working with the Communists? Why that would make Al Gore's Uncle a Communist sympathizer! You could make up all kinds of wild ass theories about family involvement with the Communists. Boy, I bet that would really look ugly. Kind of like this guy <-click here.
Man I bet with all you Freepers we could make up some wild theories about what's going on there????
But what do we tell the children?
It's the law damn it!
We tell the children it's a cruel world. There is a right for a people to do what is good and moral and unpopular. We also tell them it's the President's obligation to conduct foreign policy and not be interfered with by meddling congresscritters.
I have no fresh evidence.;^)
Bib Laden suffers from new-money angst. In Saudi Arabia he was already a social outcast to whom the entrances his father's cash bought were brick walls. If he was ever in a London party he was probably handed coats and told to bring another Beefeaters as he stood around staring at the floor.
He has all of Hitler's inferiority complex.
Remarkably enough, I posted a large book excerpt on that topic in this very thread. If you're interested in the subject, you could always have someone read it to you.
You see, I won't fall for a typical "murky allegation with no support" kind of argument.
Too funny.
Well, that's enough entertainment for me. Tell your guys to send over the varsity next time...
The strawman.....
you lied the content of your own link
I said Bush was involved in Iran/Contra and gave you several links. Every link I quoted from had the exact quote in the link. Show me one that didn't - yuo can't because you've lied and set up a strawman argument.
The tiwsted logic....
you lied about the nature of Hammer's conviction,
I never said what he was convicted for (show me the line where I said what he was convicted for Mr. Liar, Liar pants on fire)
You tried to tar Gore Sr for being Hammer friend (as though there was some 'crime' to that).
you lied about Hammer's relationship with Republicans
Once again you lie and ignore the facts. I said he was pardoned by Bush and that he gave Reagan $1 million. Both are FACTS without dispute. I don't know what other relationship he had with Republicans but those two facts sure seem pretty cozy (BTW dufus, the link was to a FreeRepublic thread where your fellow Freepers were making that claim).
Defintely absurd, have you been reading what you posted? Maybe it's time for your medication.
Triumph, no you're too easy - it's not sport. You can't argue coherently and have no sense of humor. You see, responding LIAR LIAR LIAR every time someone gives you a fact isn't an "argument" - it's nonsense.
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