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Chechen rebel president names negotiator for talks with Russia (Putin:You have 3 days to surrender)
AFP via Yahoo! News ^ | Wednesday September 26, 1:01 AM | AFP

Posted on 09/25/2001 12:49:32 PM PDT by Pericles

Wednesday September 26, 1:01 AM

Chechen rebel president names negotiator for talks with Russia

MOSCOW, Sept 25 (AFP) - Chechen separatist president Aslan Maskhadov has appointed a negotiator for talks with Russia, saying there were "real chances" for peace following Russian President Vladimir Putin's offer on Monday, his spokesman told AFP by telephone Tuesday.

"I think that after the Russian president's new offer, there are real chances to start negotiations as soon as military action ends and to peacefully settle contradictions accumulated (between the Russian and Chechen peoples) for centuries," the spokesman quoted Maskhadov as saying.

On Monday, Putin called on Chechen separatists to contact his envoy in southern Russia and discuss the modalities of a rebel surrender, giving them three days.

The Russian president did not use the word "negotiations" or suggest a pullout of Russian troops from Chechnya.

Maskhadov said he appointed the deputy head of the Chechen separatist government, Akhmad Zakayev, to carry out negotiations with Putin's envoy, Viktor Kazantsev.

No Kremlin official could be reached immediately for reaction.


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To: Pericles
Putin said 2 years ago he would "wipe them out in the shithouse" alluding at the so called Chechen terrorists.
Sounds familiar?
Well, there still there!!
21 posted on 09/25/2001 4:33:54 PM PDT by konijn
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To: Pericles
I would imagine that the Russians will use the upcoming campaign in Afghanistan to launch their own horrible offensive on these rebels. Our hands are effectively tied, since the Russians have given us a green light to use Central Asian airbases. We need to keep access to these airbases for the duration of the war. The Russians know this. This is war, unfortunately.
22 posted on 09/25/2001 4:38:39 PM PDT by TKEman
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To: konijn
You can't wipe out Chechen resistance until the last Chechen is gone from Chechnya. This war might be won in the short term but I suppose in ten years another crop of young fighters will grow to take back what is theirs.
23 posted on 09/25/2001 4:40:16 PM PDT by Sawdring
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To: Fusion
I think you're getting in a bit deep here. I can't see where it's in our interests to help the Chechen rebels. In fact, far from it. We simply cannot afford to have the Russian Republic fall apart. More so now than in the early 90's.
24 posted on 09/25/2001 4:48:00 PM PDT by TKEman
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To: Sawdring
The Chechens can have their plot of land 6x3x6.
25 posted on 09/25/2001 4:48:37 PM PDT by Pericles
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To: konijn, Fusion, Sawdring
I think the Chechens just ran out of outhouses. It was the Chechens that broke and agreed to meet Putin's deadline. No negotiations. Disarm, go home or die. You have 3 days.
26 posted on 09/25/2001 4:52:12 PM PDT by Pericles
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To: Pericles
I would imagine that bin Laden is calling in all the troopers he can get to come. Personally, I wouldn't want to face the Russians while they have a free hand. They have that now. Everyone that can bug out is making tracks. And probably not going to Afghanistan, unless they're absolutely crazy. Which most of these guys are.
27 posted on 09/25/2001 5:26:44 PM PDT by TKEman
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To: Fusion
Rest assured that one of the major Western cities will be destroyed by a crude nuclear device before the end of the year.

Fusion finally says something he can be tested on - you should stick with vague pronouncements that can't be disproven.

I look forward to referencing this thread in 100 odd days.

28 posted on 09/25/2001 6:00:26 PM PDT by Hoplite
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To: Fusion
Let me put it this way to you maggot, if and when a Western city goes nuclear, there will be about 500 million less Islamic heretics left in this world. I can guarentee that in the US, the 7 million muslims will be rounded up for their own safety, because if they are not the public linchings will curtail your roach like breeding patterns. In Russia, the 15% Islamics will either get dead or get Christian in a hurry. Even the Panzi assed EU socialites will have to respond by 1. evicting the lot of you termites and then slaughtering in the good old days. If you schmucks of Shiete really want a Christian crusade, you'll get one. May I remind you, of narrow minded concubine of a one legged flea infested Efreete, that the Crusades came in as a response to your desert flees killing Christians and when the Crusades did come, there were no thoughts of conversion...only extermination...

So I've got to ask, oh future fertilizer of sand dunes...you feeling lucky punk? Because the next thing you'll hear is a great in take of air following a bright flash.

29 posted on 09/25/2001 8:38:53 PM PDT by Stavka2
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To: Fusion
By the way, oh schmuck of swamp leechs, how does your fantasy world reconcile itself to the facts that: 1. all the Illyrian maggots ran away from the Serb army. 2. the great Chechyn love feast lasted 24 hours, numbered a whopping 300 fighters and got their collective arse handed to them...hell 20 in one building after the Russian army just leveled it instead of taking it and the best part of soon to be frekised by cacodeamons...Mashkidov fell all over himself to negotiate for his hide....laughs and grins all around...and maybe we'll even give them a drinking problem.
30 posted on 09/25/2001 8:41:50 PM PDT by Stavka2
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To: Sawdring
It's hard to grow up or even be born when there is no one left to birth you. Most Chechins live in Russia, about 500,000 of them and have no desire to return to the barbaric hell hole they ran away from. Stalin did them a favor...funny only 110 people died, almost all from heart attacks as Stalin in '45 moved the whole of the lot of them out in 24 hours.
31 posted on 09/25/2001 8:44:28 PM PDT by Stavka2
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To: Pericles
On Monday, Putin called on Chechen separatists to contact his envoy in southern Russia and discuss the modalities of a rebel surrender, giving them three days."

Translation: "Well yes, as a matter of fact I do have a quid pro quo with my friend GW Bush. Feel free to pass that information along to your cousin Osama, OK?"

32 posted on 09/26/2001 12:22:05 AM PDT by Don Joe
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To: Fusion
"Nobody in America will be saddened when 'Allah's suitcase' opens in Moscow."

Please don't mistake our joy at the vengeance Russia exacts on you with our sadness at the loss of innocent lives in Moscow.

Your country would be wise to keep its eyes on the calendar. Three days is not a very long time to come to your collective senses.

33 posted on 09/26/2001 12:24:39 AM PDT by Don Joe
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To: Hoplite
"Fusion finally says something he can be tested on - you should stick with vague pronouncements that can't be disproven."

Maybe I'm misreading things, but in my experience, people with his particular brand of cockiness generally speak from a position of knowledge.

So if I'm right, it means that we (the combined governments of the nations comprising western civilization) need to act with no delay to crush the madness of a 13th century warlord "culture" armed with nuclear weapons.

I do believe that there's an understanding between Bush and Putin, and neither will object if the other goes "mushroom hunting" in its respective "upland game area".

And if, as "fusion" threatens, the madmen do set off a nuclear blast in Moscow, the unspeakable tragedy will galvanize the world -- the civilized part, at least -- to wipe every last 13th century cockroach off the face of the earth forever. In other words, it would be the stupidest thing they could ever do. The fact that they've already demonstrated a monumental capacity for raw unmitigated stupidity does not give me much encouragement.

As an aside, I think it's a fair assumption that if "fusion" knows that his country has a nuke, so does Putin -- which may in fact be a factor in the three day warning (which by the way strikes me as being very similar in nature to Bush's stern demands to the taliban).

Along similar lines, I have to wonder just how secure Pakistan's nuclear arsenal is, and what -- if anything -- the US will be doing to ensure that it doesn't fall into the wrong hands. (or remain in them, as the case may be)

34 posted on 09/26/2001 12:40:03 AM PDT by Don Joe
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To: Fusion
Stop buggering the pigs and get your head out of your ass before you suffacate.

If one of these pieces of filth detonate a nuke in the US the middle east will quickly become glass, and we will drown the muslims of mecca in swine blood.

may warts grow on the inside of your nose 'o gurgler of camel piss.

35 posted on 09/26/2001 12:51:18 AM PDT by WolfsView
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To: Pericles
Chechens see their end without the Western support they counted on.

There are no multiculturalists in a foxhole.

36 posted on 09/26/2001 12:54:30 AM PDT by Clinton's a rapist
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To: Don Joe
Don't worry about Fusion - he's a Serb sympathizer who's posting as an Albanian in order to discredit them.

The only reason he's cocky is due to the fact that he's gotten away with playing Pied Piper to the low IQ set here on FR for so long.

37 posted on 09/26/2001 9:10:23 AM PDT by Hoplite
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To: Hoplite
"...The only reason he's cocky is due to the fact that he's gotten away with playing Pied Piper to the low IQ set here on FR for so long.

And maybe that he's got apologists, such as yourself, to cover for him, and discount the obscene ravings. The jerk is authentic. I've been reading his posts for a fairly long time, now, and I've never seen anything like a slip, breaking character.

Or prove me wrong, please.

38 posted on 09/26/2001 9:03:25 PM PDT by MoJoWork_n
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To: MoJoWork_n
Get him to back up his assertions that Peter Chappell murdered Albanians that he was smuggling into Drvar.

And if you're looking for a slip, or a break in character, why don't you look at the G. Dority posts?

No, wait. Same character. My bad.

39 posted on 09/27/2001 1:22:17 AM PDT by Hoplite
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To: Hoplite
Don't have a clue about the role of David Chappell.

I did a search and found the following, NATO press briefing in BiH, July, 1999, which brought up but did not elaborate on the following bits of information: 1.) Drvar was 100 percent populated by people displaced from other parts of BiH, 2.) No "Serb participation" there at all, 3.) "led" by croats, 4.) among the "unrelated incidents in past weeks" there were allegations about a "rape" and a "fight between Croats and Serbs", without any further clarification or details. 5.) The press briefing ended just after that last question was posed. If there were no Serbs there, who was "fighting"?

http://www.nato.int/sfor/trans/1999/t990706a.htm

That didn't shed much light on anything, but the other entries that came up in the search were posts from Wraith and Fusion, on this forum (May 21st). From that, I'd guess that Chappell in some way played the role of "Wilmer", in The Maltese Falcon, a conveniently placed IC aid worker--perfect for the role of fall guy.

Ceku's contribution's to the Croatian military notwithstanding, this is a straight-from-the-hip-out-and-out-wild speculation: I guess I wouldn't be surprised to discover, someday, that the escape routes that were open in 1999 for ethnic Albanian Kosovars, to Macedonia, among other places, were deliberately slammed shut, by 'modern-day Ustase', using Chappell's name as a cover. And Bad Things Happened. (In the NATO press briefing, Chappell's name comes up but he's too *important* to actually make any statements, himself.) I mean, what influence, really, do NGO's and aid workers have in the countries in which they're temporarily residing? [The old question, "How many divisions does Oxfam/The Pope have?"]

As far as Fusion goes, I thought it was particularly telling that on Sept. 12th, he refused to use the T-word, 'terrorists', to describe "the enemy". (Elsewhere, the KLA's partners, responsible for the opposite end of the drug pipeline to Europe.) Some of the small details in the correspondence with Wraith--the name of a watering hole frequented by G.I.'s in Pristina--betray an immediate acquaintance with the local situation.

I don't know, really. He sounds like he thinks he's the second coming of Winston Churchill, making a radio oration being broadcast to the troops. On behalf of Greater Albania. The shameless hubris sounds authentic to me, as does the casual disregard for anything approaching a concept of ethnic tolerance.

40 posted on 09/27/2001 2:20:14 PM PDT by MoJoWork_n
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