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To: SJackson
...the country that is not only our truest ally but also the best at fighting terrorism.

I agree that it is dumb not to have Israel in on this, but the statement that Israel is "our truest ally" is so stupid as to border on the comic.

Ask the sailors on the USS Liberty about our true-blue ally Israel. Ask those who were compromised--and some apparently killed or imprisoned--because of the antics of Jonathan Pollard who is STILL a "hero" to Israelis and American Jews with questionable loyalties.

We ought to use Israel as Israel uses us. But let's dispense with this silliness about their "trueness" as an ally. It insults our intelligence.

10 posted on 09/25/2001 6:37:16 AM PDT by Illbay
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To: Illbay. DistantVoice
Ask the sailors on the USS Liberty about our true-blue ally Israel. Ask those who were compromised--and some apparently killed or imprisoned--because of the antics of Jonathan Pollard who is STILL a "hero" to Israelis and American Jews with questionable loyalties.

There you go again. Tsk tsk. That "dual loyalty" charge is the oldest anti-Semitic canard in the book. You reveal yourself.

14 posted on 09/25/2001 6:42:12 AM PDT by veronica
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To: Illbay
Here comes the Liberty again.
15 posted on 09/25/2001 6:42:49 AM PDT by AppyPappy
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To: Illbay
Illbay wrote:
"Ask the sailors on the USS Liberty about our true-blue ally Israel."

Ask the CIA which sent a spy ship into coastal waters between waring counties, after Israel told the US to pull out all ships. Israelis mistook it for a Russian spy ship, which was also operating in the area. I suppose American forces never accidentally attacked American or allied forces during war? 1/3 our causualties in the Gulf War were friendly fire. This happened at a time when we expected our forces to be in the general vicinity. The Israelis did not expect the US to be arrogant or stupid enough to ignore warnings and secretly put a spy ship into a war zone. You interpret the fault to be Israel's, I see it is a mutual mistake in the confusion of war.

"Ask those who were compromised--and some apparently killed or imprisoned--because of the antics of Jonathan Pollard who is STILL a "hero" to Israelis and American Jews with questionable loyalties. "

Pollard handed over information on Arab states and Soviet weapons. The CIA line that a Naval analyst had information on spies is laughable. The CIA needed to blame someone for the loss of agents. We now know who is responsible: Aldrich Ames, who had full access to the spies in his job with counter-intell. Ames has admitted his role. Only the Arabist or the ignorant continue the lie about Pollard.
"We ought to use Israel as Israel uses us. But let's dispense with this silliness about their "trueness" as an ally. It insults our intelligence."
As does ignoring facts. Israel has allowed itself to be attacked to help US interests. It has failed to respon to terrorism to support US interests.

46 posted on 09/25/2001 8:52:19 AM PDT by rmlew (rmlew@erols.com)
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