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Evolution: A Series on PBS tonight
PBS ^ | Sept. 24, 2001 | PBS

Posted on 09/24/2001 1:12:24 PM PDT by ThinkPlease

Tonight is the beginning of the Evolution Series on PBS. I thought I'd open up some threads of discussion here prior, during and after the telecast of the episodes.

Here's PBS's homepage for the telecast:

PBS Homepage

And Here's something from the Discovery Institute, who is evidently irritated about turning down free publicity on the telecast. (They were offered time on the final night of the telecast, and turned down PBS.)

Discovery Institute


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To: PatrickHenry
Since there are so many "facts" in that resource Patrick, how come you evos do not use it in your postings here? Perhaps they are too silly or have already been refuted on these threads numerous times?
161 posted on 09/25/2001 8:58:33 PM PDT by gore3000
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To: jennyp
:So given time we should expect a chimp to give birth to a human or vice versa? -Andrew-

I thought you were smarter than that... :-(

Essentially that is what evolution has been saying for 150 years. It is what Darwin said and has been disproven by science since. You evolutionists are pretty good at wisecracks, but how about trying some facts to refute the points being made instead?

163 posted on 09/25/2001 9:01:50 PM PDT by gore3000
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To: NonZeroSum
Well, it's not at all obvious, but thank you for your opinion. It will be given all the consideration that it's due.

Oh another smart aleck remark. Care to give some quotes from the Bible supporting evolution?

164 posted on 09/25/2001 9:04:26 PM PDT by gore3000
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To: NonZeroSum
The chances of a human giving birth to a chimpanzee are so infinitesimal as to approach zero

Two things. One,infinitesimal does not need to be modified by "approaching zero". Two, the chances of a human giving birth to anything have absolutely nothing to do with natural selection(for that birth). It has to do with what natural selection will have to work with, that is, the random mutations that had to have happened in order to separate humans and chimps. Since mutations are "random" events and they are occurred there is a finite probability that they can occur. (sounds logical doesn't it?) Natural selection merely "remembers" them. The offspring is not required to leave progeny only to be born.

165 posted on 09/25/2001 9:06:48 PM PDT by AndrewC
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To: gore3000
Care to give some quotes from the Bible supporting evolution?

Why in the world would I even attempt that? The Bible is not the source of my knowledge about science.

166 posted on 09/25/2001 9:09:29 PM PDT by NonZeroSum
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To: gore3000
Care to give some quotes from the Bible supporting evolution?

When did the Bible come a source of knowledge concerning science yesterday or today?

167 posted on 09/25/2001 9:10:17 PM PDT by WRhine
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To: ThinkPlease
The question is not speciation (although evolutionists even debate what speciation really is) but the creation of increased complexity. Whether you call a finch with a long beak and one with a short beak different species does not matter a whit when it comes to evolution. Evolution is about one species descending from a less complex ancestor. None of the examples cited there show any increased complexity or really any big difference between these so called different species.
168 posted on 09/25/2001 9:14:17 PM PDT by gore3000
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To: AndrewC
infinitesimal does not need to be modified by "approaching zero".

Many are not aware of that, so I was simply being as clear as possible.

Two, the chances of a human giving birth to anything have absolutely nothing to do with natural selection(for that birth). It has to do with what natural selection will have to work with, that is, the random mutations that had to have happened in order to separate humans and chimps. Since mutations are "random" events and they are occurred there is a finite probability that they can occur. (sounds logical doesn't it?)

No, it doesn't. It only sounds logical if you're utterly ignorant of genetics in general, the human genome in particular, and the process of natural selection.

There is essentially zero chance of a human having a chimpanzee offspring. Speciation doesn't occur in a single birth, and the subject remains irrelevant to natural selection.

169 posted on 09/25/2001 9:15:12 PM PDT by NonZeroSum
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To: gore3000
Evolution is about one species descending from a less complex ancestor.

No, it isn't. Please stop flaunting your ignorance of the theory of evolution.

170 posted on 09/25/2001 9:16:11 PM PDT by NonZeroSum
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To: ThinkPlease
Just a few thoughts before turning in... I believe God inspired the sacred writers of the Bible for the purpose of revealing Himself and His plan for salvation.

However, although everything in the Bible is inspired, not all is revealed. As I study the Bible, I try to understand the context in which it was written, as well as the type of literary form used (allegory, parable, oration, etc).

I believe the Hebrew authors, while divinely inspired, were free to choose their literary forms to convey God's message of revelation and salvation. The forms were certainly conditioned by their time and culture. The story of the origins of the earth and primeval man were expressed in terms designed to reveal to the people of that time the majesty of God's creation, not as a scientific textbook.

I believe that God's gave man a wonderful gift of intellect, but it is necessarily limited. After all, He is God, and man is not. Man will always use that intellect to try to learn more and more about the origins of life, and I am as curious as the next person.

However, I believe that perfect understanding will only come when I am at one with God after my time here on earth. In the meantime, faith is needed, and freely given upon request, for me to be entirely comfortable with the belief that that there can be no contradiction between truth and God.

Although I enjoyed the PBS show this evening, I do wish that the producers of the show would have, at least once, said that all they showed is a hypothesis, not proven fact.

171 posted on 09/25/2001 9:17:39 PM PDT by CSW
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To: gore3000
It is what Darwin said and has been disproven by science since.

You and the rest of the Creationists can chant this mantra a million times but it won't change the FACT that Evolution is a PROVEN science.

172 posted on 09/25/2001 9:17:56 PM PDT by WRhine
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To: Junior
The ultimate answer to the meaning of life, the universe and everything: 42
173 posted on 09/25/2001 9:19:07 PM PDT by gore3000
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To: gore3000, other blowhards
...against the scientific facts.

Post your facts that support "intelligent design" as a theory. You can't, because ID is a tissue of lies.

Say, did you ever find those quotations from the USSC that required the teaching of evolution?

174 posted on 09/25/2001 9:20:52 PM PDT by dbbeebs
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To: gore3000
Twiggy, Jayne Mansfield and Janet Reno would you be able to make the correct choice
if all you had to look at was an x-ray of them?

Reno is the one with the penis.

175 posted on 09/25/2001 9:21:16 PM PDT by Storm Orphan
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To: CSW
Although I enjoyed the PBS show this evening, I do wish that the producers of the show would have, at least once, said that all they showed is a hypothesis, not proven fact.

No scientific theories are proven facts. Scientific theories are built from proven facts. Evolution is as scientifically valid as gravitation, relativity, the laws of thermodynamics, etc. They are all hypotheses to explain a body of facts, and generally accepted by the scientific community as the hypotheses that best explain those facts. Hypotheses cannot ever be "proven."

176 posted on 09/25/2001 9:22:12 PM PDT by NonZeroSum
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To: VadeRetro
#125: "Your previous post, if you mean number 74, basically justifies ignoring the amazing preponderance of evidence for evolution on the grounds that its all experience and thus perception and thus unreliable and thus we really don't know anything . ."

If thats what you got out of what I've written in this thread, I can see that you are a very confused one-armed boat rower. Only those who don't mind going in circles will hop in your boat.

177 posted on 09/25/2001 9:24:08 PM PDT by Matchett-PI
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To: ThinkPlease
Every member of every species is different. Everyone is indeed transitional,

But of course we cannot find the bones for these transitions because when the species were evolving they were vacationing in Hawaii according to Stephen Jay Gould. Evolution seems to always happen where no one will see it! Must be a creationist conspiracy at work here. They have been making sure that the bones of no intermediate species would survive by throwing them in volcanoes as soon as the animals die.

178 posted on 09/25/2001 9:25:17 PM PDT by gore3000
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To: gore3000
Hey, gore3000, are you watching this evolution series on PBS?
You should, you might actually learn something.

They have all these fossils. And fossils support the theory of evolution.

179 posted on 09/25/2001 9:25:57 PM PDT by dbbeebs
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To: gore3000
They have been making sure that the bones of no intermediate species would survive by throwing them in volcanoes as soon as the animals die.

There's no such thing as an "intermediate species." This is a meaningless phrase. Again, please stop flaunting your ignorance.

180 posted on 09/25/2001 9:27:23 PM PDT by NonZeroSum
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