One Nation....Under Different Gods?

Crosswalk ^ | September 19, 2001 | Janet Chismar

[LoneGreenEyeshade]

I have a BIG problem with it if one of the Islamic mass-murderers is defining the will of God.

AMEN. See #19.

[Precisian]

I think the entire debate would be improved if we, as Christians, use the same word for "God" that the Islamic theologians use to describe their "deity".

By which I mean, let's only use "ALLAH" when referring to the Islamic Faith, and "Christ" when referring to the Christian Fatih.

This will distinquish between confusions, don't you think?

To call both the Chrisitan Faith and Islamic Faith deity "GOD", confuses the issue, heh?

[RnMomof7]

Great find..you and I see the same phrase as significant

"Islam" means "peace" we are often told by Muslim and non-Muslim alike, says The Barnabas Fund News. "Even before Tuesday, some newspapers and TV broadcasts tended to paint a glowing picture of Islam as a religion of peace, modesty, morality, self-discipline and family values, sadly tainted by the violence of a few fundamentalists. Muslim minorities nevertheless continued to complain of Islamophobia, and felt themselves unjustly portrayed in the media as terrorists." The truth falls not so much in the middle between these two extremes of peace and violence, says The Barnabas Fund News, but manages to embrace both extremes at the same time. "It is true that many individual Muslims are peace-loving and law-abiding," agrees The Barnabas Fund News"But it is not true that peace is the main characteristic of Islam. It is not even true that the word 'Islam' means 'peace.' In fact it means 'submission.' Islam as a faith emphasizes submission of Muslims to God and, by a logical extension, the submission of non-Muslims to Muslims."

This is an important thing for all the nominal Christians to understand..they want to pretend that we worship the same God and that we can all just melt into a nice One world get along religion

Fellow Christians we do not worship the god of Mohammad....we need to understand that our words mean different things when we speak

Trust but verify...

[LoneGreenEyeshade]

to the same extent that christianiaty is an imperialist religion.

Is this statement based on what God has said, or how you and others have applied it?

Christ said: "I came not to condemn the world but to save it....I am the Way, the Truth and the Light....no one comes to the Father except by Me."

Not my words, His. If you have an issue with it, take it up with Him.

[RnMomof7]

BUMP

[LoneGreenEyeshade]

"the submission of non-Muslims to Muslims."

Thanks for highlighting this part of the quote. It's THE point for Christian awareness.

LOL,LGE

[jejones]

From what little I remember about Arabic: there are classes of words that share a common consonant cluster and have related meanings. For example, the cluster one could transliterate as "ktb" is common to Arabic words having to do with writing. "slm" is common to "Islam," which does mean submission (to the will of Allah), and "salaam," which means peace. (Arabic, like Hebrew, is a Semitic language; "salaam" and "shalom" are pretty clearly cognate--talk about irony...)

[LoneGreenEyeshade]

and "Christ" when referring to the Christian Fatih.

Excellent point.

Or "Jehovah," the "I AM."

(I like to use Jehovah because it includes the Chosen People of Jewish faith, to which we "Christians" were grafted into through faith in Christ.)

[LoneGreenEyeshade]

So could it be said that Islam means "submission to God in peace?" I do not know Arabic, but I am sure trying to understand. :~)

[Jerry_M]

For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,) But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him. (I Corinthians 8:5,6)

[MissAmericanPie]

Ugh, are we still grappling with the will of God? What a sad state of affairs that we lack the moral imparitive to understand and do His will. To recognize evil and send it away from us.

There is a time for peace and a time for war, we are at war, yet we put a deadly asp in our shirt, for the sake of tolerating asps, while we fight. Not very smart. There are claims that 80% of mosques in the USofA preach some elements of radical fundamentalism. There are entire lists of charities that collect the wealth of America to send to terrorists organizations, yet we mutter on about diversity and sensitivity, with no common sense in sight.

I suppose in the purist sense we should kiss the hand holding the knife to our childs throat as it slashes and then smile sweetly while we die. But if we are not up to doing that, right here and right now, in our immediate future, this week, next week, then we need to start thinking smarter. Think I am over reacting? New York was an over reaction, the Pentagon was an over reaction, the immediate future, laid out before us by media and government, will be an over reaction on the part of our enemies, and both media and government trumpet that it is not a matter of if, but when, and in the immediate future. If we are to believe what they say, being an adult, I have no problem with what needs to be done to insure our survival.

Like God told Abraham, send Ismael away, let me worry about him.

[verity]

"God help us to understand and do His will."

The theological tower of babble does not specify which God you wish us to understand!

[Precisian]

Know The Adversary Please read this very carefully.

Then, refer to ALLAH when discussing the Islamic deity, and CHRIST when discussing the Christian deity.

[jonatron]

I'm a Christian . . . How do I go about getting 70 virgins ??? :-))

All you have to do is go to the Muslim world, to Sudan and buy them.

[wideawake]

I have to agree. Clearly the entity worshipped by Muslims is not the God of the New Testament. I would prefer the Trinity as the term, since Christ is God indeed, but so are the Father and the Holy Spirit.

But your point is well taken - too many Christians are willing to participate in the charade that we and the Muslims worship the same God.

[LoneGreenEyeshade]

THANK YOU.

But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

And my favorite:

In the beginning, was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God... and without Him was not anything made that was made... and the Word was made flesh...full of .... TRUTH.

[Knitebane]

That may be true now, but any Jew living in the Holy Roman Empire a few centuries ago would not be able to agree with you. Because they would be dead.

Christianity is much more tolerant than that now, but it's been around 500 or so years longer than Islam. Christianity grew up. Islam needs to follow suit or face the consequences.

Knitebane

[Precisian]

The Trinitarians were founded 1,000 years ago as a Holy Order to "ransom" captured Christians from their enslaving Islamic kidnappers.

The Trinitarians still exist today.

Glory to the Christian Trinity!

[JmyBryan]

Absolutely agreed - afraid it's going to be very bloody though ...

[LoneGreenEyeshade]

Does anyone know if Abraham's son, Ishmael, born to his maid, was the beginning of Islam? I recall a teaching to this effect, but cannot locate my notes, and until recently, did not seem to have much interest in understanding!!!!!

"And he will be a wild man; his hand will be against every man, and every man's hand against him; and he shall dwell in the presence of all his brethen."

(Genesis 17:12)