One Nation....Under Different Gods?

Crosswalk ^ | September 19, 2001 | Janet Chismar

[LoneGreenEyeshade]

A sticky wicket.

Yes, indeed. How do we identify the enemy who proclaims a "Holy War" for Islam and yet seperate these from peaceable followers?

As a Christian, I'm glad I'm not held accountable for the murders that have been committed in the name of Christianity by those who clearly did not know God!!!!!!!!!!!!

[LoneGreenEyeshade]

How does he know that since there were no Muslims on the planet in Christ's time.

But there were...beginning with Ishmael, the son of Abraham. And though not specifically named, Christ came to save all the world---everyone---none excluded, which I believe is what the author is addressing.

[gfactor]

i agree. i was being hyperbolic to make a point.

[LoneGreenEyeshade]

Thank you. Another book for my ever-growing list (if I can ever pry myself away from FR!.) Who needs to eat, wear clean clothes, etc. anyway!!!!!!!!!!!

LOL,LGE and

As always, God RICHLY bless you.

[Dataman]

but any Jew living in the Holy Roman Empire a few centuries ago would not be able to agree with you. Because they would be dead.

I understand your sentiment, but your history is in error. Perhaps you are referring to the Spanish Inquisition? I believe less than 35 people were killed. That is a far cry from "any Jew living in the HRE."

[Dataman]

You could not be more wrong, KB.

Good job there, wideawake. In a modern world where we ridicule old wives' tales and superstition, the myth of a bloody European Christianity still thrives. Any educated person who still believes this should be ashamed.

[Precisian]

"Choose this day Whom you will serve"

[hopefulpilgrim]

Hi, Mom. Faithfulpilgrim says that Ishmael was the father of the Arab people. Abraham was very wrong to follow Sarah's advice and have a child by Hagar to try to "help God" fulfill His promise to Abraham and Sarah for a son (which turned out to be Isaac). Not trusting God's promise and taking matters into their own hands was a big mistake.

[Dataman]

Lots of people define "the will of God" lots of different ways.

The will of God is the will of God regardless of how it may be defined by the average unqualified pundit. Owning a paint brush does not make one an artist, having a camera does not make one a photographer and posting an opinion does not qualify one as a theologian. There are absolutes and the Islamic terrorists ignore them. Historical Christianity does not.

[LoneGreenEyeshade]

That says very little about religion, and a great deal about human nature.

Thank God, He is not human.

To the Church: "Nevertheless, I have something against you, because you have left your first love....repent, and do the first works" (Revelation 2:4-5)

"First, seek the Kingdom of God, and His righteousness." (Matthew 6:33)

[Jerry_M]

First, the disclaimer. I am in no way an authority on Islam, and, truthfully, haven't studied it much at all.

Secondly, any work in tracing just who is descended from who, Biblically, is prone to subject one to charges (which may be valid) of racism. Suffice it to say that all of those branches that did not result in the 12 sons of Israel (Jacob), necessarily led to the creation of peoples who share a similar genetic nature and who inhabit the same region.

As to Islamic writings specifying that it was Ishmael who submitted to possible sacrifice at the hands of Abraham, this makes sense. Of course any counterfeit substitute for the Bible is going to make outlandish claims. I would assign the Koran the same validity as I do the Book of Mormon, and for the same reasons. Both books share a common authorship, and both attempt to deflect attention from the revelation from God that is contained in the Bible. Both are "another Gospel" (Galatians 1:8).

[Thinkin' Gal]

(Arabic, like Hebrew, is a Semitic language; "salaam" and "shalom" are pretty clearly cognate--talk about irony...)

I was reading a thread about 'Jihad', when I noticed that the Arabic jahada appeared to be extremely similar to Yehuda. Hmmm?

JIHAD is an Arabic word the root of which is Jahada, which means to strive for

[snorkeler]

Tell that to the families of the Moslems that were murdered here in the USA last week....

[LarryLied]

ArcLight's post from earlier today:

Good Wars

A history of Christian thought on warfare. From First Things.

[Dataman]

Tell that to the families of the Moslems that were murdered here in the USA last week....

Tell them what?

[LoneGreenEyeshade]

The will of God:

For all to be saved (1 Timothy 2:4, 2 Peter 3:9}
To not be conformed to this world...to prove what is the good, and acceptable and perfect..(Romans 12:2)
To be not unwise (Ephesians 5:17)
To come to the knowledge of truth (Hebrews 4:12)
To know the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom He sent (John 17:3)

....among others.

[PatiPie]

Thank you. Another book for my ever-growing list (if I can ever pry myself away from FR!.) Who needs to eat, wear clean clothes, etc. anyway!!!!!!!!!!!

LOL!!! Know exactly what you mean, LGE. In fact, I need to pry myself away from my computer and go do some chores, like buy some groceries for my family. Just a little necessity.

God's grace and blessings to you, LGE!!!

[LoneGreenEyeshade]

Thanks for the reference. Good discussion. I personally chose the following quote as how I understand God's will:

"How can we follow Christ—even at a distance—while fighting and killing? Calvin gives us an indication by pointing out that Christ’s pacific nature (his willingness to suffer violence at the hands of Jewish and Roman authorities) is grounded in the priestly office of reconciliation and intercession that is reserved for him alone. Christ’s pacific nature is thus inextricably tied to his role as redeemer and cannot be intended as a model for Christian behavior. No Christian can or should try to act as a redeemer, but all can and should follow Christ in obeying the commands of the Father. And the Father commands the just use of force."

[RnMomof7]

Not trusting God's promise and taking matters into their own hands was a big mistake.

Wood ,hay and stubble (our own plans)...always feed a fire...You are right!