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One Nation....Under Different Gods?
Crosswalk ^ | September 19, 2001 | Janet Chismar

Posted on 09/24/2001 9:07:47 AM PDT by LoneGreenEyeshade

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To: philosofy123
Jesus Christ, as a human, was from the lineage of David, a man after God's heart (according to God.) The God of Abraham, Jehovah, the "I am" and the same God of the Jews. They are God's chosen people, to which we are "grafted in" through Jesus Christ. Jesus opened the door to the family of the "chosen" to all who believe in Him.
101 posted on 09/25/2001 1:07:01 AM PDT by LoneGreenEyeshade
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To: LoneGreenEyeshade
But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

Amen !!

102 posted on 09/25/2001 6:36:44 AM PDT by DreamWeaver
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To: LoneGreenEyeshade
What do you suggest besides pray for them? Are you going to preach the gospel to them at the check out line of the grocery store? Or perhaps party crash a Mosque? Do you know of any strong Christian leaders that will influence them?

Do you have any idea of who those muslims were standing with Bush in that mosque? They were the heads of charity fronts for terrorist organizations. Do you know who that Mulah was at the National Cathedral? These are the "moderate" muslims.

80% of Mosques preach some radical fundamentalism according to reports and they give to these charity fronts. In several American cities they danced in the street for joy over the terrorist victory. There is a time to preach and a time to save your rear.

Our corrupt politicians have placed us in a position that we may only have day's or weeks in which to solve the danger they have placed us in. I would love to hear some ideas on how to reach the muslims in America. If anyone posts some good ideas that are doable, please bump me, I would love to see what they have to say.

103 posted on 09/25/2001 6:40:01 AM PDT by MissAmericanPie
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To: ex-snook
Was Amos a prophet or just unpatriotic?

Most of these guys would have probably been defined as unpatriotic at the time. Most of them were executed or otherwise persecuted because of it. It is only in hindsight that prophets are recognized for what they are.

Incidentally, it makes me wonder about the preponderance of wannabe "prophets" in America today... I get the feeling they actually *want* the job for the *status* which is something a prophet *never* has had in the past. What makes them think it's different now?

104 posted on 09/25/2001 6:41:55 AM PDT by Terriergal
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To: GeekDejure
Marry a really good Christian woman. She will be more than enough. ;-)
105 posted on 09/25/2001 6:43:05 AM PDT by Terriergal
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To: gfactor
christianiaty is an imperialist religion.

I would assume you mean Christianity, and that you're thinking of high-church types. (e.g. Catholic, Anglican) - which aren't what comprises the True church necessarily. There are those in those types of churches which *are* of the real church, but as in any legal church body, there are those that don't really believe. You have to look beyond the formal church structure to find real Christianity.

106 posted on 09/25/2001 6:47:20 AM PDT by Terriergal
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To: LoneGreenEyeshade
(I like to use Jehovah because it includes the Chosen People of Jewish faith, to which we "Christians" were grafted into through faith in Christ.)

However, they themselves refrain from using the Lord's proper name. They also feel uncomfortable when we use God - because they know we use it as his proper name. Someone on FR told me that they are ok with us using "Lord." So to be respectful of their religious beliefs, it would be probably wiser to use Lord than the hybridized "Jehovah" which is simply a fudging "trying to pronounce" the unpronounceable Tetragrammaton.

107 posted on 09/25/2001 6:56:47 AM PDT by Terriergal
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To: MissAmericanPie
If anyone posts some good ideas that are doable, please bump me, I would love to see what they have to say.

103 Posted on 09/25/2001 06:40:00 PDT by MissAmericanPie

With all due respect, sincerely, what the Lord said is good enough for me:

"A new commandment I give you, that you love one another; as I have loved you, that you also love one another. By this shall all men know that you are my disciples, that you love one another... Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their WORD; that they all may be one; as thou, father, are in me, and I in you, that they alsomay be one in us; THAT THE WORLD MAY BELIEVE THAT YOU HAVE SENT ME." John 13:34-35 and John17:20-21

Maybe if we did what He said and spent more time and effort in loving each other, the world would notice, stop and say "What it is about those people. I want it too."

And so, I lay down the sword in our debate. And I pray for the world....that He will fill our hearts with love and not hatred...because without love, we are nothing.

108 posted on 09/25/2001 7:40:47 AM PDT by LoneGreenEyeshade
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To: Terriergal
Thank you for the information. I did not know I was offending anyone and sincerely apologize to those that I did. I will heed your advice as use the word "Lord." I prefer it anyway!

May the Lord bless you. LOL,LGE

109 posted on 09/25/2001 7:43:14 AM PDT by LoneGreenEyeshade
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To: Terriergal
"Marry a really good Christian woman. She will be more than enough. ;-)"

Amen. And for the women, likewise a good Christian man.

BTW, did you know that in the scripture: " a man shall cleave to his wife" the word "cleave" can be interpreted to mean "never stop chasing." I love that. Who would not want to submit to a husband who loved his wife as Christ loved the Church and never stopped chasing her!!!!! :~)

110 posted on 09/25/2001 7:49:04 AM PDT by LoneGreenEyeshade
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To: LoneGreenEyeshade
Certainly we should love one another, but, this scripture that you have pulled up has to do with the love of the "desciples" for one another, which hardly equates with how you are to deal with an enemy out to kill you.

"Sell your coat and buy a sword", indicates we should engage in self defense. So if your talking about following God's will, his will is that you defend yourself from death. We have a very short time to figgure out how to do that. Even at that it is not going to be up to you or I but it will be left in the hands of those that put us in this position in the first place, corrupt politicans in actions that border on treason, who have allowed our enemies in the gates.

111 posted on 09/25/2001 8:00:51 AM PDT by MissAmericanPie
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To: MissAmericanPie
I agree wholeheartedly that we must defend ourselves----against terrorists. And yes, the scripture refers to loving one another, as Christians, but for what purpose other than: THAT THE WORLD MAY BELIEVE THAT YOU (the Father) HAVE SENT ME (Jesus Christ.)"

You have mail. LOL,LGE

112 posted on 09/25/2001 8:20:50 AM PDT by LoneGreenEyeshade
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To: Illbay,ex-snook, MissAmericanPie,Dataman,gfactor,knitebane,hopefulpilgrimJmyBryan
I thought the following post was particularly succinct and appropriate for some of the discussion here.

"I prefer to think of our duty as destruction of the enemy by whatever means necessary. We are not killers, but if our enemies choose to die rather than surrender, then they will die.

It is not a body count we are after. That makes us no better than the terrorists. You see, that IS what they want to do: Kill as many of us as they can.

We are after a destruction of their organization, their dedication to their cause, their cause itself, by whatever means necessary. We strike them until they cannot answer back, until they doubt that any dedication they once had to their cause was ever a wise course to take.

That's what we did with Imperial Japan and what we did Fascist Italy and Nazi Germany. We destroyed any and everything that made them a cohesive threat. The body count was incidental. Hordes and hordes of German prisoners of war with their hands on their helmets and their weapons stacked in long rows were testaments of that.

We are a peace-loving people; our enemies are not. We love life; our enemies do not. We love freedom and liberty and justice; our enemies despise them.

Do not reduce us to the level of their bloodlust. We lust for no one's blood. But we lust for our liberty and will have no man or force of nature stand between us and it."

2 Posted on 09/19/2001 18:08:29 PDT by Illbay

Thanks, Illbay.

113 posted on 09/25/2001 9:53:42 AM PDT by LoneGreenEyeshade
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To: verity
The theological tower of babble does not specify which God you wish us to understand!

Did you read any of the posts? #'s 14,17,22 and 28 in particular and many more thereafter. Your question is one of the main points of this thread. A little reading may go a long way to answering your question.

114 posted on 09/25/2001 10:01:47 AM PDT by LoneGreenEyeshade
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To: LoneGreenEyeshade
This is very inspiring and very true. Thanks for the heads up.
115 posted on 09/25/2001 12:17:40 PM PDT by MissAmericanPie
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To: Dataman
Do you forget the massacre at Cordova in April 1014? 1500 dead.

Or Granada, 1066? 1500 dead.

Or the first Crusade in April to June 1096? 20,000 dead in Northern France and Germany

How about 1143 in Ham, France? 150 dead, villiage wiped out.

Or Toledo, 1355, 2000 dead?

Or Lemberg, May 1667? 500 dead

My source? Here

Knitebane

116 posted on 09/27/2001 6:53:38 PM PDT by Knitebane
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