Posted on 09/24/2001 8:53:22 AM PDT by xzins
salam and hello, i would like to say that we were not descendants of israelis most importantly jews, as someone stated there are stars of david in every house, this is 100% false. i am half kashmiri half pathan as it happens my self and i strongly know my culture. this person needs to read up on history, we have also had a claim that we are european descendant which is not middle eastern as israel is. also what does the person mean we sympathise for jews? this person seems to be a jew himself! we are simply us, the climate around us is different to the rest of pakistan and so we are fairer. please do not be offended anyone its just the the truth. thank all for admiring our warrior spirit but no one owns us. i belong to islam and i belong to my land, thankyou
You are a new poster. Welcome.
I suggest you follow all the links, do all the research, and receive all the facts. Line up all the facts and meditate upon just the facts. Then make a decision.
What is a fact? The dictionary defines "fact" as "something that has actual existence."
firstly thank you for the welcome,
secondly i refuse to look at the junk which you and other jews seem to be conjuring up, look to make it clear if you believe in this theory then you must believe in islam as the truth as such warriors like us accepted islam. we did not just accept it like that, and if we held any doubt we would fight. your question has been answered so you may aswell just say the shahadah now my friend, thanks again and take care
p.s do NOT post anything saying that we were forced onto islam as i will get very angry as we know this is a pathetic attempt to regain ones dignity
do not tell me what we are, i am starting to get angry now at the stuid comments of some here. dont tell me where i am from. there is another tribe i have come across which has greek origin with an extremely small pagan population amongst them no jews or christians alhamdulilah, nice people i have met mashallah. we do not look anything like jews alhamdulilah and we are not in any way alike. for the christians who are joining on this conspiracy my suggestion is to find another country to victimise and make you assumptions too!
What is a shahadah?
Also, I am Christian and not Jewish.
Most all cultures that are today Islamic were forced into Islam during the eras of Islamic conquest from about 650-1400 AD. That is a matter of history.
If you grew up in an Islamic country, then the odds are that you were not forced into Islam, but simply were born into it.
The 3 is true.
"The point is this: what is God doing in this age? Is all this occurring as a step in His plan to reunite the tribes? Is this all mistaken research? I don't know. But I'm not going to ignore it."
You ask what "is God doing in this age"? I will ask you "have you not read", it is written, Christ said he foretold us all things.
It is also written that not all will understand what is written.
"IF" you will read very very carefully there are some "hints" within this article.
salam to all muslims in this forum, and hello to non muslims. hi mr xzins.
the shahadah = declaration of belief ~ LA ILAHA ILLALLAH MUHAMMAD DA RASULLULLAH ( there is no god worthy of worship other than ALLAH and muhammad is his final messanger)
i have found your lost tribe some time back who do not claim to be our descendants! how many people claiming its hillariuous! they are known as gypsys who have same look as jews. they are scattered in europe and fled many centurys ago. i have actually met some and they resemble your claims. they are probably the descendants of the lost tribe. your anscestors were forced to christianity thats why you were born into a christian family my friend, your racist views are getting truely out of hand that we were forced to islam like other muslims around the world. do you remember the spanish war? even the jews and and the christian minority refused to fight the muslims and remained loyal due to the kindness and protection we gave them in our rule. they too were slaughtered along with all the spanish muslims who were forced into christianity. let me tell you about your origins sir and you will read upon them by sites given by other biased people like me. you will have no say in where i decide you are from, i will think and give you a descision at what i think. tell me your origins and i will calculate your anscestors mate.
As with all theories, one looks at the facts and considers them. The facts regarding the tribes in Afghan and Pakistan indicate a possible Israeli connection. It is simply something to look at without emotion, and acknowledge those items which are facts.
I am Christian. My ancestry is German, Scottish, English, Irish, Native American. That encompasses a variety of religions depending upon how far back one goes.
The difference, of course, is that Jesus never led an army and did not think a forced conversion to be valid. The only valid conversion is a conversion which one truly believes.
This makes sense to me as to why Jesus never led an army to force conversion. His example comes down to his followers. They can judge their behavior by his behavior.
Mohammed did lead armies, and he did cruelly kill people in order to force conversions. His example carries on to his followers. They will judge their behavior by his behavior.
how dare you insult our prophet,
one looks on how prophets were, muhammad did not attack other but he defended his followers from the pagans etc. no
christian i have seen in the past history from all sources i have seen has been peaceful to muslims, its been convert or die, move jesus who was our prophet out the equation and look at his so called followers or lets say worshippors and drunken colleagues who he himself would be infuriated with. tell me what are the connections between pakistan and israel you fool? i have been commented i look spanish when im pakistani, ones intellectual level must be balanced and not reduced to the simple facts of apearances of others. come on thats the way a premature child would think, o they look similar when in fact they dont so they must be the same. this world is a big one and many people may be alike. dont dare insult my prophet again or the next post will be full of swearwords a very unorthodox manner.
"Quest for the Lost Tribes" by Simcha Jacobovici, Elliott Halpern - available on the web. I have a copy of this at home and it is rivetting. Could not begin to say enough good things about it.
You are not stating the case properly are you. The three tribes of Judah were of Judah - not Israel. And Jesus flatly stated he came not but to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. This is right on the mark. The deportation by the Assyrians is a matter of historical record. Methinks you either haven't read or are pushing some agenda lol
I have a contention, though, with this article's premise that these guys are still Jews. Any Jew who converted to Islam is a Baal worshipper.
khaqan_khawaja, the Gypsys have been proven to be related to India, not Israel.
It's hard to insult a dead guy. Therefore, it's not him who's insulted; it is you.
In the meantime, it behooves you to investigate the truth about Jesus of Nazareth rather than listen to anyone else's words. Read about Jesus for yourself. Study his words.
You will see the difference.
He was the light who enlightens everyone who comes into the world. Anyone at all who calls on the name of Jesus will be saved.
Israelites are still israelites and the chosen people even if they are off whoring around in other religions as the OT put it. Their response to God doesn't determine their lineage. but it does cause a proper response from God. When Christ rode in on the ass, he pronounced judgement on Israel in the prophecy that Jarusalem would be raized to the ground and not one stone left sitting on another because they failed to recognize Jesus for who and what he was. Judgement did not stop them being Israelites. On the other hand, the Church has been grafted in as a member of the chosen.
The lineage of Israel is important to such an extent that a number of groups have a lot to gain in trying to discredit and disown Israel, their history, etc. I'd tread very carfully with pronouncements. These are God's chosen and to be judged by him - not by us. He is both just and merciful and there is still a great deal of prophecy to be fullfilled - including the mass conversion of Israelites that is to come. ;)
Might be interesting to take note of who protests the story and from what religion they come. I can tell you three religions off the top of my head that have a real problem with this. Islam and Roman Catholicism are the two biggest.
Presents a real problem for their Peter went to Rome claim. Moslems deny the chosen status and merely wish to dispute that israelites even really exist. Mormons seem to have a mixed reaction. Jehovah's witnesses are into the replacement theology concept that Rome once embraced in error. You could write a book on the reaction to other religions to the house of Israel.
Fight the good fight ;)
There is more to it than just that. In the video version of this story, Simcha interviews some from among the Pathans and makes a pretty good case. Some may have fled to the south of india after the destruction of the second temple. But scripture tells us that the 10 tribes had long since been in that region. Simcha deals with the names of places listed in scripture and draws comparison to the modern names which still bare up under comparison to the hebrew counterparts. He goes into enough detail to be quite convincing. It isn't really a common sense notion that Muslims would take on the practices of Israelites whom they bare a rather extreme hatred for. I think you'd have a pretty difficult time selling that. So I guess I'd say, try to keep an open mind - if you can.
i agree bro/sis 100%
Yeah, but Pakis are not Arabs. Also, only 20% of the world's moslems are ARabs. And there are arab Christians -- in Lebanon (40% Christian), Syria (10% christian) and Egypta (2%) and Irq (2%)
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