Posted on 09/22/2001 7:32:10 AM PDT by gg188
Experts cited in other FR posts tell us there are MANY terrorist cells here among us now. Who do we have to fear more---THEM or POLITICAL CORRECTNESS??
I have carefully reread my post and it doesn't remotely suggest what you imply that I suggest. I have no idea what your agenda is in mischaracterizing my words, but it makes me wonder.
My exact words were that we need to "look at immigrants", and I meant, of course, in this case, those of Arab origin.
Nothing was said of shuffling off to camps. Get a grip.
I restate my point, and let me put it this way. If a cadre of middle-aged, mustached, overweight honkies with a conspicuous Southern accent who are somewhere they aren't normally found committed this I will understand if *I* am "looked at", i.e., checked out. In the city in which I used to work, 98% of violent crimes are committed by young black men. I suppose you would require---as many liberal city police departments do now by policy and court order---that SUSPECTS be rounded up in racially proportionate numbers so as not to discriminate against BLACK rapists.
In a nutshell, what I am suggesting is PROFILING. Got a problem with that? Even leftists like CHRIS MATTHEWS have come out in favor of PROFILING of people of Arab descent, but you think Chris is too far to the right? Wow.
I will, however, state that there are people we should shuffle off NOT to camps but rather to their homelands. Here is how Ann Coulter put it (I suppose you'll accuse her of wanting to send your daughters off to a camp, now?):
All 19 hijackers in last week's attack appear to have been aliens. As far as the Constitution is concerned, visitors to this country are here at the nation's pleasure. Congress could pass a law tomorrow requiring that all aliens from Arabic countries leave. (More on that next week.) Congress could certainly pass a law requiring all aliens to get approval from the INS before boarding an airplane in the United States. - Ann Coulter
[Note also that Coulter is only one of many who has called for this action: deport them all, sort it out later.]
No one said anything about rounding up university professors, etc.
Finally, I think it is shameful that you would TAKE THE LORD'S NAME IN VAIN particularly using the handle of Andrew Jackson.
Your post is a flame, and a profane one at that. I imagine most of us would like those posting comments to add something lucid to the discussion and not juvenile childishness accompanied with curse words, which is ESPECIALLY juvenile.
He probably doesnt care about the constitution or liberty. For some of the folk on FR, clearly a minority, are very selective in what parts of the constitution they accept. Some for example, venerate only the 2nd ammendment. None of the rest matters. But dont threaten to take away their right to own a bazooka, rocket launcher or 60 cal machine gun. Ive seen some even claim the 2nd ammendment gives them the right to own nuclear weapons. Not many but a few kooks who feel that right is unlimited but all the other rights can be restricted as they see fit.
Thank you. A moment of lucidity. I have been unable to sign on to FR all day, and I returned and thought the Democratic Underground had taken over.
I heard a great summary of the differences between what Mohammed/Allah asks of us and what God asks of us according to their teachings:
Muslim:
What is the best deed?
1)Belief in Allah and his apostle (Mohammed).
What is the next in goodness?
2)To participate in Jihad for Allah's cause.
Christian:
What are the two most important things God asks of us?
1)To love God, having no other God's before Him.
2)Love thy neighbor.
During the Q&A, I asked him, since it was a big deal at the time, what did he think of Salman Rushdie.
"I would have to kill him if I saw him," he said.
Did you get flamed for posting this? It's very un-pc, you know. Didn't you watch the TV program from Hollywood Friday night? "All you need is love." (turning sarcasm off)
And Im supposed to be intimidated by you, the little corporal, reincarnated. Go back to Hell Hitler. Sic Heil Mein fuhrer. Little fascist.
I suppose you feel you are a good Christian who reads his Bible daily and believes every word. If so you are a lying Hypocrite.
If you feel so strongly about the muslim hordes, why dont you volunteer and show your mettle in Afghanistan rather than trying to bully your fellow citizens in this country.
At the risk of being accused of wanting to send peoples children to camps and round up liberal professors, I am going to agree with you. Well said. When you suggest something like this, you immediately are accused of all sorts of extreme things not remotely suggested by what you've said! I wonder why that is? It's like if you say you believe homosexuality is wrong and immoral, you are accused of hating homos. PC has so permeated the fabric of America that it is a KNEE-JERK reaction by many or most people.
Dear newbie: do you think this is a newsgroup where you come to make adolescent drive-by flames of people you disagree with? It isn't. Read the charter.
What childishness---you disagree with someone, but the ONLY thing you can come up with is to sarcastically say, "oh--you are an expert." How silly (and pathetic.)
Look at the "category" of FR I posted my thoughts under: YOUR OPINION/QUESTIONS. Now reread the guidelines of the board and if you don't like them, get lost.
It would appear that you are the only 'bully' here, Mr. foul-mouth adhominem specialist.
Fool. Its not what's in his heart or what he believes thats important to people like you, its what he looks like. If his genes are arabic because his ethniciy is arabic, then he is going to have to avoid fools like you that want to beat him up, burn down his business or home, deport him or send him to detention camps.
For example, a sizeable percentage of blacks in this country are muslims. However, I havent heard of one airline pilot refusing to fly a black passenger because they were muslim. Seems the only thing that important to some people is that you look the part.
So you admit that your knowledge of Islam comes from a piece of fiction. And you call me fool. LOL
Look in the mirror for the ultimate prototype.
You lefties are all alike; setup a strawman and argue with him all day. - You and your strawman are the only ones here that care what anything looks like. - Were talking about a political system that falsely calls itself a 'faith' and has existed for terror, and tyranny from it's inception. - Just look at what they do to their women.
You love it, don't you! - You live for your hatred of Jesus Christ, and the country founded on his Gospel.
I suppose she wanted to do it at the point of a blade then. Forcibly converting arabs to Christianity is what she said near the end of her editorial. I couldnt believe that she would say that either so I want back to the source and she did in fact say it. Maybe she was overwhelmed with emotions at the time but she did say she wanted to forcibly convert the arabs to Christianity. During the crusades it was done at the point of a sword. She may find a gun more efficient, i dont know.
Islam's bloody beginnings
The Arab Islamics began the rape, pillaging, massacres, forced conversions, head taxes, etc. with the prophet Mohammed, in the Arabian peninsula, as he massacred 600-900 Jewish men in cold-blood and his men raping and enslaving the women and children (Banu Qurayza, 627). This Jihad would extend throughout the Arabian peninsula (where under the second caliph in 640 the Jews and Christians were expelled from the peninsula), North Africa, Mesopotamia, Armenia, Persia, Syria, Palestine, South Spain before finally being stopped at Narbonne (720) and Poitiers (732). In the space of 100 years the Arab Islamics had massacred, conquered, dhimmiized, pillaged, whole INDIGENOUS Christian (non Arab) and Jewish communities. Most of the time this would consist of massacring, enslaving, and ethnically cleansing whole Christian and Jewish populations. Bat Ye'or in, The Decline of Eastern Christianity under Islam (1996), at pp. 44ff. describes this blight on long-standing Christian and Jewish communities:
After the death of the Prophet, the caliph Abu Bakr organized the invasion of Syria which Mohammed had already envisaged. He gathered tribes from the Hijaz, Najd, and Yemen and advised Abu Ubayda, in charge of operations in the Golan (Palestine), to plunder the countryside but, due to a lack of adequate weaponry, to refrain from attacking towns.2 Consequently, the whole Gaza region up to Cesarea was sacked and devastated in the campaign of 634. Four thousand Jewish, Christian, and Samaritan peasants who defended their land were massacred. The villages of the Negev were pillaged by Amr b. al-As, while the Arabs overran the countryside, cut communications, and made roads perilous. Towns such as Jerusalem, Gaza, Jaffa, Cesarea, Nablus, and Beth Shean were isolated and closed their gates (note: these towns had a majority Jewish/Christian (non Arab) populations). In his sermon on Christmas Day 634, the patriarch of Jerusalem, Sophronius, lamented over the impossibility of going on pilgrimage to Bethlehem as was the custom, because the Christians were forcibly kept in Jerusalem:"not detained by tangible bonds, but chained and nailed by fear of the Saracens [Arab Islamics]," whose "savage, barbarous and bloody sword" kept them locked up in the town.3
In Syria...Sophronius, in his sermon on the Day of Epiphany 636, bewailed the destruction of churches and monasteries, the sacked towns, the fields laid waste, the villages burned down by the nomads who were overrunning the country. In a letter the same year to Sergius, patriarch of Constantinople, he mentions the ravages wrought by the Arabs.4 Thousands of people perished in 639, victims of the famine and plague that resulted from these destructions..... Country areas, particularly the plains and valleys populated with hamlets and villages, were ravaged by Bedouins who set fire to crops, massacred and carried off the peasantry and their cattle, and left nothing but ruins. Townspeople were in a different position. Protected by their walls, they could defend themselves or negotiate the conditions of their surrender on payment of tribute to the Bedouin chiefs....
In fact, the record of the precise progress of the Arab conquests constituted a basic principle in the earliest stages of Muslim law, since it fixed not only the nature and taxation of the land, but also the legislation applicable to its indigenous inhabitants. Although some disparities appeared in respect of the towns, the majority of the villages fell into the category of conquest without a treaty. According to the strategy of jihad, the absence of a treaty allowed the massacre or enslavement of the conquered population and the division of their property.... Helped by local Arab support---particularly active in the central region and the lower Euphrates---and by troop reinforcements sent from Arabia, Muslims extended their raids on the countryside and villages to the south and center of Iraq around Mada'in (Ctesiphon).......they invaded the Sawad (Babylonia), the villages near the Tigris and Euphrates....These raids were supported by Umar who sent reinforcements from Medina.
The monasteries were pillaged, the monks killed, and Monophysite [Christian] Arabs massacred, enslaved, or Islamicized by force; in Elam the population was also decimated, and in Susa their notables were put to the sword.... Palestine was laid waste and plundered.13 The Arabs moved into Cilicia, taking inhabitants with them into captivity. Mu'awiya sent Habib b. Maslama to Armenia....On his orders, the population of Euchaita [Jews and non-Arab, i.e., Armenian Christians] (on the river Halys) was put to the sword; those who escaped were all taken into slavery.14 According to the Armenian chroniclers, the Arabs, after they decimated the populations in Assyria and forced large numbers of people to embrace Islam, "entered the district of Daron [south-west of lake Van] which they sacked, shedding rivers of blood. They exacted tribute and forced the women and children to be handed over to them."15 In 642 they took the town of Dvin and annihilated the population [mainly Assyrian Christians] by the sword.
Then "the Ishmaelites returned by the route whence they had come, carrying off in their wake a multitude of captives to the number of thirty-five thousand."16 The following year, according to the same chronicler, the Arabs again invaded Armenia, "wreaking havoc, ruin, and slavery."17 .... In North Africa, the Arabs took thousands of captives and accumulated a large stock of booty...."the Muslims set to work overrunning and laying waste the open country."19 Tripoli was ransacked in 643; Carthage was entirely razed to the ground and most of its inhabitants were killed [majority Christian]. The Arabs put the Maghreb to fire and sword, and it took them more than a century to restore peace there by crushing the Berber resistance....
The wars continued on land and sea with Mu'awiya's successors. Arab troops wrought havoc in Anatolia by numerous incursions; churches were desecrated and burned down; all the inhabitants of Pergamum, Sardes, and other towns were led into captivity. The Greek towns of Gangres and Nicae were destroyed. Contemporary Christian chronicles mention entire regions ravaged, villages razed to the ground, towns burned, pillaged and destroyed, while entire populations were enslaved. As has been mentioned, town populations were not always spared. They often suffered massacre or slavery, always accompanied by deportations. This was the fate of the Christians and Jews of Aleppo, Antioch, Ctesiphon, Euchaita, Constantia, Pathos (Cyprus), Pergamum, Sardes, Germanicea (Marash), and Samosata---to cite but a few examples. In the course of the Umayyads' last attempt to take Constantinople (717), the Arab army commanded by Maslama carried out a pincer movement by land and sea and laid waste the whole region around the capital.
During the course of Islamic hegemony Bedouins and other Arabs would immigrate to these ethnically cleansed and pillaged, non Arab areas and the remaining indigenous populations would be put in a dhimmi state with periodic sacking, persecution and massacring of the remaining Christian and Jewish populations or theses peoples would flee to other areas. The real ethnic cleansers and the unwanted neighborhood bullies - the Arab Islamics.
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Fight and slay the pagans [i.e. infidels] wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem of war. —The Koran, Sura 9:5 Lo! Allah hath bought from the believers their lives and their wealth because the Garden will be theirs: they shall fight in the way of Allah and shall slay and be slain. It is a promise which is binding on Him in the Torah and the Gospel and the Qur'an. Who fulfilleth His covenant better than Allah? Rejoice then in your bargain that ye have made, for that is the supreme triumph. Sura 10:38
[5.51] O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people
[9.29] Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Apostle have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection.
[9.30] And the Jews say: Uzair is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!
See you are wrong again fool. Ive been a Christian for more than fifty years. I just dont feel like following the Holly Rollers in this country as they use this attack as an excuse to turn this country into a theocracy headed by them... as they cleanse the country from the unbelievers... kind of like the Taliban.
As far as overseas. I dont care what you do. Bomb the hell out of the Islamic countries. Nuke them if you feel thats the only way to get to them in their caves. Just leave the USA alone. This is a country of laws. We are at war with terrorists, not Islam and not with our citizens.
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