What I expect from American Muslims

Vanity | 9/19/01 | Antoninus

[Antoninus]

An insidious, monstrous criminal atrocity has been committed against our country. There's now little doubt that this barbaric act was committed by fanatical Muslims as part of a jihad against the 'Great Satan' America. In the aftermath, we are treated to platitudinous and largely unnecessary calls for Americans to exercise 'restraint' and not take out our anger against other Americans who happen to be of the same religious extraction as the maniacs who perpetrated this act. These calls for restraint could be made unnecessary if American Muslims would simply do the following...

Convene a very public, nationally televised 'town hall' meeting of Muslim clerics and high-ranking officials with in their communities around the country. Within this public forum, allow presenter after presenter to state unequivocably that they:

1. Decry the dastardly attack on the World Trade Centers in no uncertain terms.

2. Declare to be false and pernicious the notion that a murderous, suicidal death leads one's soul to heaven. State in no uncertain terms that this teaching is contrary to true Islam.

3. Renounce the use of terroist violence to achieve political ends, and call for ALL foreign governments to do the same.

4. State publicly that they support the right of the United States to wage war against those nations and groups which harbor and abet terrorism whether they be Muslim or otherwise.

5. Put forth a dire warning to the terrorist cells that may be in their midst that Muslim-Americans will not think twice about turning these perfidious scoundrels over to the US government.

6. Mention that any public celebration of these attacks by Muslim-Americans is a deplorable act which harms not only the Muslim community, but America as a whole.

What I don't want to hear in relation to this is one single word about:

1. How this would never have happened if the US didn't support Israel.

2. How our 'imperialist' oppression of Arab nations brought on this attack.

3. Any kind of justification for terrorist barbarism.

Individual statements along these lines have surfaced here and there, but until the Muslim community as a whole does this in a very public fashion, I will have to view them with some suspicion. The mere fact that we haven't seen more of these kinds of statements indicates to me (and I hope I'm wrong on this) that there is decent amount of clandestine approval of the attack within the Muslim-American community...

[Storm Orphan]

And Abraham Lincoln was wrong.

[sendtoscott]

How often do Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson make it a point to distance themselves, as Protestants, from what some Protestants do in N. Ireland (which isn't any less murderous than what some Catholics do)?

[Storm Orphan]

People had the same suspicion of Catholics through the first half of the 20th Century, too.

All people like you do is take the focus away from rooting out terrorists to harassing
American citizens of a religion that you personally don't like.

Quit hiding your bigotry behind human tragedy.

We were attacked by a vicious terrorist group. These terrorists are being supported by a relatively small segment of the Muslim community. Please do not condemn all members of a race or religion for the barbaric acts of a few. We are at war against the terrorist groups and the rogue government regimes that harbor them. With few exceptions, the rest of the world is allied with us against these groups, but we are not at war with an entire people or race or religion. We must rid the world of the scourge of terrorism, while continuing to respect and defend the rights and lives of the innocent.

Thanks,

Jim Robinson

[NMC EXP]

What I expect from American Muslims

That comment pretty much sums it up. You just put a hypen into the names of Americans. I'll flat guarantee you that Ted Kennedy's Immigation act of 1965, was an absolute, liberal abortion, in the worse sense.

Kennedy and his ilk, love the hypeneated handles. True Americans should hate them, and those who peddle them

Regards

J.R.

[Storm Orphan]

BIngo!

[TKEman]

Well, I don't think we can make blanket condemnations of groupings of people. Probably wisest to not convene, based on religion, "loyalty meetings." People can and will lie anyway.

Let's let people make their own affirmations.

[stuartcr]

Thank you.

[hcmama]

Nah. I figure you are probably ready to self-destruct any moment now. Today could be your day to implode....yet again.

(I am further betting it will probably happen during one of your interminable, lame-ass sermonettes. )

[Storm Orphan]

Actually, I've only been suspended one time, for three days, for a rather raw profanity.

But since you're wrong on so many other things, I figure one more won't bother you.

[Storm Orphan]

Aw shucks. We are Americans. Can we do less?

[Diamond]

We muslims have been fighting with immigrants and visitors for decades to leave their anti-colonial battles and internecine fights at home where they came from and *not* bring them to America. And when they don't, we make damn sure they can't cause us problems.

Question: Do you believe in al-Taqiyya as described here:
al-Taqiyya/Dissimulation (Part I)

How can anyone believe what you say in light of this teaching of the the Quran? Millions of Muslims believe in al-Taqiyya and those who say they don't, who can believe that they don't? How does a person know when to trust what a Muslim says when al-Taqiyya is believed in by persons like the one at this website who defend it?

Cordially,

[clee1]

BTTT

[Diamond]

Actually, I've only been suspended one time, for three days, for a rather raw profanity.

That's nothing - I almost got suspended from high school one time.

Cordially,

[Antoninus]

Quit hiding your bigotry behind human tragedy.

Oh, now I'm a bigot. I guess it was only a matter of time. Can't win the argument so let the name-calling commence. Guess what? It doesn't work on me. I know I'm not a bigot. I know what I wrote wasn't bigotted in any way.

Then, you go on to quote Jim Robinson (clearly because everyone on here knows that your own words carry no authority - you must glom on to that of others) as if what he says somehow contradicts what I have written. Of course, it does not. Nowhere do I condemn all or any Muslims, save those involved in the attack. I simply presented a potential strategy for how the Muslim population in America could allay the suspicion that exists out there. And there's no point denying that suspicion exists. It does. If my post was so contrary to the wishes of the owner of this site, I suppose he would yank it. He has not.

But of course, you're not interested in discussing this. You build yourself a straw man and then proceed to fling insults at it. But having seen you in action before, I understand that's par for the course.

[Storm Orphan]

Oh stop. You're gonna make me bust out crying.

[hcmama]

Then, you go on to quote Jim Robinson (clearly because everyone on here knows that your own words carry no authority...

BINGO!! (I haven't noticed anyone receiving one of his little provisos being reprimanded in any way, have you? It must be killing him.)

[Godfollow]

Get this picture... Israel bombing New York... not! IRA bombing the Pentagon... not! Illegal immigrants... they're illegal, i.e. not here legally, not living by the same the laws you and I live by, that is if your not an illegal immigrant, IRA of Islamic terrorist.

[Ol'Grey Head]

I know several Islamic citizens and they are beside themselves with comdemning the terrorists. One is Turkish., They get attacked by terrorists separatists all the time, so they are well aware of this danger. I figure we can take the risk of those who have gone to the trouble of getting citizenship. It doesn't seem like a person who has gone to that trouble would be a terrorist.