Here may be our problem with Islam

The Koran #47 - Muhammad ^ | 600+ AD | Muhammad

[XBob]

53 - "Apparently, your latest theory is that the Koran is responsible for the terrorism we are experiencing. Leaving the solution being, I guess, the extermination or subjugation of all of Islam. "

Actually, no - just saying that it provides justification for lunatics like you.

Actually, all I am doing is practicing the 'christian' belief - 'an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth'.

GET TO WALKING. !!!!!!! AND GO TO KINDERGARTEN.

[Publius6961]

We also learned, from the book, that "He did not feel he was a saint, and consciously refrained from performing miracles."

WOW.

I must be a saint too.

All my life I have consciously refrained from performing miracles, and the odds are for the rest of my life I will probably continue refraining.

but I could, you know...

[XBob]

bump your 58 and my 61 - "Being riddled with orders of genocide, slavery, subjection of women, and a host of general bizarreness, the Bible isn’t so pretty itself, sometimes. "

[Publius6961]

Sorry, Manny, but I still continue to believe my own eyes and ears, not your irrational rants.

[bluetoad]

"The Urdu-language newspaper, the Punjab Post, offered 400,000 rupees to anyone who killed an American."

Declaration of WAR!!!

hmmm... Nothing here, move along...

[Publius6961]

Don't they believe he went to heaven on his horse??? That says it all.

But even their holy book does not say that there were any witnesses.
Right up there with "compassionate and merciful"; talk is cheap.

[syriacus]

WOW. I must be a saint too.

Yes! Isn't this knowledge wonderful news for all of us? Perhaps all of us, even nonsaints, are only refraining from working miracles

I don't know about you, but I plan on enjoying my newly discovered non-powers!! : )

[Publius6961]

bump your 58 and my 61 - "Being riddled with orders of genocide, slavery, subjection of women, and a host of general bizarreness, the Bible isn’t so pretty itself, sometimes. "

Incredible as it may sound, you Mensa graduates have managed to miss the fact that The US has never once gone to war with anyone, nor issued a fatwah for insulting Christianity.

The fact that millions of animals masquerading as people have done so and continue to do so in the name of Islam, also apparently has escaped your notice.

[XBob]

please give a reference: ""The Urdu-language newspaper, the Punjab Post, offered 400,000 rupees to anyone who killed an American."

My Punjabi friends never seemed to have a problem with me or other Americans, and last time I was in the Punjab, though a few years ago, they were quite friendly.

[savedbygrace]

Hank, before you dig yourself deeper, you should examine what's happened. Stingray has brought actual facts to the table to support his position, while you have made claims unsupported by any facts.

Until you counter with factual evidence to support your position, you look really foolish. Plus, based on the evidence Stingray has posted, you look like a Christian who doesn't understand his faith. That's a serious charge that you can prove false, if you have the facts to back you up.

I look forward to hearing your response to the challenges Stingray has presented you with.

[XBob]

69 - "Incredible as it may sound, you Mensa graduates have managed to miss the fact that The US has never once gone to war with anyone, nor issued a fatwah for insulting Christianity. The fact that millions of animals masquerading as people have done so and continue to do so in the name of Islam, also apparently has escaped your notice. "

Please note who posted this thread to begin with - me.

The Old Testament and the Koran are both full of bad things.

Sorry - my many Moslem friends are not animals masquerading as people, they are fine, honest, compassionate and honorable people, just as are my Christian friends.

I am ashamed of and disgusted by the small percentage of religious fanatics on both sides.

[AppyPappy]

From a thread here on FR "Guide to Islam"

Allah -The Islamic word for God. Muslims worship the God of Abraham as described in the Book of Genesis and believe they are descended from this patriarch. Islam teaches that Allah is the only God and creator of the universe. Muslims usually offer praises when they speak Allah's name, such as "the merciful, beneficent, wise, the loving God."

[Nonstatist]

There is zero logical connection to suggest in any manner that I am arguing for the benefits of an Islamic occupancy of Georgia, any more than I am arguing for the benefits of an American occupancy of Afganistan, and the best way to avoid any chance of the one, is to avoid the other... History suggests that one of the best ways to assure an occupancy of your country by foreign troops, is to occupy their country, but fail to kill them all.

Im not sure, but it seems to me that you argue ..1) that we have not heretofore been sufficiently provoked to justify our striking back at them, plus 2) we're not absolutely positive who did this, coupled with 3) the fact that doing so would be futile unless we opt to kill them all, and of course 4) since the CIA set the supposed perpetrator up, why should we take it out on them? .Is that a fair summary?

In response, in summary I would say (perhaps I speak for others too?).. 1) we have been sufficiently provoked and our response should be "measured" to respond in kind. Many of us dont want to wait for the next act, which of course you argue isnt coming, or isnt going to be large, or may not come at all if we call off the dogs .. (I think youve said all 3?)

To 2), I say we shouldnt strike until we are positive, and it seems like theyre getting there. and 3) You merely have to destroy the network and frighten the host states into controlling their populations. It can be done, its been done before, it just requires some "re-education" as well as Force ( of course)

and 4)The CIA may muck things up, but these are the cards we've been dealt, and I dont feel like waiting to hear about how my kids were blown up by terrorists at school; which of course you say will never happen, or if it does, it doesent matter in the long run, or if it does, nothing could have been done about it , its out of our hands

In all fairness, I guess if this was '41 and the Japanese had just bombed Pearl Harbor, youd be in favor of a WAR type, response.. Right ? (or would you be talking about how FDR set this up, and it all about trade routes and oil, and hegemony and the WAR Dept,and thats as far as they can reach, and who gives 2 spits about Pearl Harbor? Its not even a US State!!)

[XBob]

69 - "you Mensa graduates have managed to miss the fact that The US has never once gone to war with anyone, "

I suggest you read a book on US history, any book, even a liberal book of politicially correct US history lies.

[cicero's_son]

"I can hardly wait to see the result of attempting to implement that program on the women and children of Islam, oh non-cowardly one."

Believe it or not, there were people in the West who said the same things about Nazis and Japanese Emperor-Worship as well.

20 years later, West Germany and Japan were two of the wealthiest nations in the world in addition to being two of our closest allies. The sons and daughters of Nazis and Kamikazes thanked us for liberating their countries from the tyranny of such toxic belief systems.

Do you think we should have left those belief systems intact?

[savedbygrace]

That is someone's definition of a word. That hardly qualifies as evidence to refute what Stingray has presented. Basically, what you quoted is from a marketing brochure. They are trying to make Islam palatable to Americans today.

As a Christian, it appears you are in need of an education on this subject. Please click on http://www.seafox.com/islam.html and read why Islam is a false religion.

[rebelsoldier]

Having been caught in two race riots in the 1970s, I can attest to the overwhelming power of the group dynamic opposed to that of individual personal discretion, and people that attempt to deny this factor are extremely naive and in denial of reality. The tedious and endless repitition of the qualifying statement that: "Not all Moslems...(you fill in the blanks), goes without saying because, this is a reference to interpersonal relationships between one individual and another under normal everyday circumstances. This aspect is utterly inoperative when we are not under normal circumstances and when we are talking about whole groups and their relationship to other whole groups, especially in time of war or conflict when that very group identifies itself as a group, not individuals.

Then the group dynamic, different from the personal dynamic, assumes priority over the individual. This may be counter to the natural aspect of one to one single personal interaction, but in time of war, it is a learned defense mechanism response. To regard an enemy as a collection of independently motivated persons is preposterous, and attempting to assess and delineate them individually under normal circumstances is ridiculous. In short, the left demands we consider the Moslems we are at war with as separate and uniquely possessed individuals and not of a group mentality, while at the same time regarding them as a group whose faith and beliefs are beyond introspection or criticism as a group. This is logical paradox in thought and thus irrational, and a suicidal practice in battle.

[Psycho_Bunny]

"The US has never once gone to war with anyone, nor issued a fatwah for insulting Christianity."

That's just about the only crime that hasn't been committed, by the US, in the pursuit of Christian ideals.

However, there are hundreds of thousands of dead Native Americans that might disagree. We have a long history of religious nutsism in the US.

Just because a declaration has never been given, doesn’t mean the same results haven’t occurred.

…Not that I in any way disagree with the course of action we are about to take, as a nation. I’m on board 100% but, I’m not on board with hatred, merely with the understanding of necessity.

Sitting around FR and lifting select lines from religious texts, for the purpose of enforcing a negative stereo-type does nothing but make us look like the ignorant racists that we are so often accused of being by pinheads like the people at DU.com.

I could sit here all day and pick and choose stupid lines - which are every bit as hate filled as the quotes above - from the Bible. Islam is no more fundamentally evil than the Jewish faith, or Hindu, or Buddhist, or even certain sects of Christianity and attempting to make villains out of Muslims, in general, is every bit as misguided and foul-minded as Muslim-extremists attempting to make villains out of Christians and Jews.

But, I’m sure you know all this, being the I’m-going-to-talk-down-to-you-idiots genius that you are.