Posted on 09/19/2001 10:47:16 AM PDT by XBob
In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful.[47.1] (As for) those who disbelieve and turn away from Allah's way, He shall render their works ineffective.
[47.2] And (as for) those who believe and do good, and believe in what has been revealed to Muhammad, and it is the very truth from their Lord, He will remove their evil from them and improve their condition.
[47.3] That is because those who disbelieve follow falsehood, and have given them their dowries, taking (them) in marriage, not fornicating nor taking them for paramours in secret; and whoever denies faith, his work indeed is of no account, and in the hereafter he shall be one of the losers.
[47.4] So when you meet in battle those who disbelieve, then smite the necks until when you have overcome them, then make (them) prisoners, and afterwards either set them free as a favor or let them ransom (themselves) until the war terminates. That (shall be so); and if Allah had pleased He would certainly have exacted what is due from them, but that He may try some of you by means of others; and (as for) those who are slain in the way of Allah, He will by no means allow their deeds to perish.
[47.5] He will guide them and improve their condition.
[47.6] And cause them to enter the garden which He has made known to them.
[47.7] O you who believe ! if you help (the cause of) Allah, He will help you and make firm your feet.
[47.8] And (as for) those who disbelieve, for them is destruction and He has made their deeds ineffective.
[47.9] That is because they hated what Allah revealed, so He rendered their deeds null.
[47.10] Have they not then journeyed in the land and seen how was the end of those before them: Allah brought down destruction upon them, and the unbelievers shall have the like of it.
[47.11] That is because Allah is the Protector of those who believe, and because the unbelievers shall have no protector for them.
[47.12] Surely Allah will make those who believe and do good enter gardens beneath which rivers flow; and those who disbelieve enjoy themselves and eat as the beasts eat, and the fire is their abode.
[47.13] And how many a town which was far more powerful than the town of yours which has driven you out: We destroyed them so there was no helper for them.
[47.14] What! is he who has a clear argument from his Lord like him to whom the evil of his work is made fairseeming: and they follow their low desires.
[47.15] A parable of the garden which those guarding (against evil) are promised: Therein are rivers of water that does not alter, and rivers of milk the taste whereof does not change, and rivers of drink delicious to those who drink, and rivers of honey clarified and for them therein are all fruits and protection from their Lord. (Are these) like those who abide in the fire and who are made to drink boiling water so it rends their bowels asunder.
[47.16] And there are those of them who seek to listen to you, until when they go forth from you, they say to those who have been given the knowledge: What was it that he said just now? These are they upon whose hearts Allah has set a seal and they follow their low desires.
[47.17] And (as for) those who follow the right direction, He increases them in guidance and gives them their guarding (against evil).
[47.18] Do they then wait for aught but the hour that it should come to them all of a sudden? Now indeed the tokens of it have (already) come, but how shall they have their reminder when it comes on them?
[47.19] So know that there is no god but Allah, and, ask protection for your fault and for the believing men and the believing women; and Allah knows the place of your returning and the place of your abiding.
[47.20] And those who believe say: Why has not a chapter been revealed? But when a decisive chapter is revealed, and fighting is mentioned therein you see those in whose hearts is a disease look to you with the look of one fainting because of death. Woe to them then!
[47.21] Obedience and a gentle word (was proper); but when the affair becomes settled, then if they remain true to Allah it would certainly be better for them.
[47.22] But if you held command, you were sure to make mischief in the land and cut off the ties of kinship!
[47.23] Those it is whom Allah has cursed so He has made them deaf and blinded their eyes.
[47.24] Do they not then reflect on the Quran? Nay, on the hearts there are locks.
[47.25] Surely (as for) those who return on their backs after that guidance has become manifest to them, the Shaitan has made it a light matter to them; and He gives them respite.
[47.26] That is because they say to those who hate what Allah has revealed: We will obey you in some of the affairs; and Allah knows their secrets.
[47.27] But how will it be when the angels cause them to die smiting their backs.
[47.28] That is because they follow what is displeasing to Allah and are averse to His pleasure, therefore He has made null their deeds.
[47.29] Or do those in whose hearts is a disease think that Allah will not bring forth their spite?
[47.30] And if We please We would have made you know them so that you would certainly have recognized them by their marks and most certainly you can recognize them by the intent of (their) speech; and Allah knows your deeds.
[47.31] And most certainly We will try you until We have known those among you who exert themselves hard, and the patient, and made your case manifest.
[47.32] Surely those who disbelieve and turn away from Allah's way and oppose the Apostle after that guidance has become clear to them cannot harm Allah in any way, and He will make null their deeds.
[47.33] O you who believe! obey Allah and obey the Apostle, and do not make your deeds of no effect.
[47.34] Surely those who disbelieve and turn away from Allah's way, then they die while they are unbelievers, Allah will by no means forgive them.
[47.35] And be not slack so as to cry for peace and you have the upper hand, and Allah is with you, and He will not bring your deeds to naught.
[47.36] The life of this world is only idle sport and play, and if you believe and guard (against evil) He will give you your rewards, and will not ask of you your possessions.
[47.37] If He should ask you for it and urge you, you will be niggardly, and He will bring forth your malice.
[47.38] Behold! you are those who are called upon to spend in Allah's way, but among you are those who are niggardly, and whoever is niggardly is niggardly against his own soul; and Allah is Self-sufficient and you have need (of Him), and if you turn back He will bring in your place another people, then they will not be like you.
Actually, no - just saying that it provides justification for lunatics like you.
Actually, all I am doing is practicing the 'christian' belief - 'an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth'.
GET TO WALKING. !!!!!!! AND GO TO KINDERGARTEN.
WOW.
I must be a saint too.
All my life I have consciously refrained from performing miracles, and the odds are for the rest of my life I will probably continue refraining.
but I could, you know...
But even their holy book does not say that there were any witnesses.
Right up there with "compassionate and merciful"; talk is cheap.
Yes! Isn't this knowledge wonderful news for all of us? Perhaps all of us, even nonsaints, are only refraining from working miracles
I don't know about you, but I plan on enjoying my newly discovered non-powers!! : )
Incredible as it may sound, you Mensa graduates have managed to miss the fact that The US has never once gone to war with anyone, nor issued a fatwah for insulting Christianity.
The fact that millions of animals masquerading as people have done so and continue to do so in the name of Islam, also apparently has escaped your notice.
My Punjabi friends never seemed to have a problem with me or other Americans, and last time I was in the Punjab, though a few years ago, they were quite friendly.
Until you counter with factual evidence to support your position, you look really foolish. Plus, based on the evidence Stingray has posted, you look like a Christian who doesn't understand his faith. That's a serious charge that you can prove false, if you have the facts to back you up.
I look forward to hearing your response to the challenges Stingray has presented you with.
Please note who posted this thread to begin with - me.
The Old Testament and the Koran are both full of bad things.
Sorry - my many Moslem friends are not animals masquerading as people, they are fine, honest, compassionate and honorable people, just as are my Christian friends.
I am ashamed of and disgusted by the small percentage of religious fanatics on both sides.
Allah -The Islamic word for God. Muslims worship the God of Abraham as described in the Book of Genesis and believe they are descended from this patriarch. Islam teaches that Allah is the only God and creator of the universe. Muslims usually offer praises when they speak Allah's name, such as "the merciful, beneficent, wise, the loving God."
Im not sure, but it seems to me that you argue ..1) that we have not heretofore been sufficiently provoked to justify our striking back at them, plus 2) we're not absolutely positive who did this, coupled with 3) the fact that doing so would be futile unless we opt to kill them all, and of course 4) since the CIA set the supposed perpetrator up, why should we take it out on them? .Is that a fair summary?
In response, in summary I would say (perhaps I speak for others too?).. 1) we have been sufficiently provoked and our response should be "measured" to respond in kind. Many of us dont want to wait for the next act, which of course you argue isnt coming, or isnt going to be large, or may not come at all if we call off the dogs .. (I think youve said all 3?)
To 2), I say we shouldnt strike until we are positive, and it seems like theyre getting there. and 3) You merely have to destroy the network and frighten the host states into controlling their populations. It can be done, its been done before, it just requires some "re-education" as well as Force ( of course)
and 4)The CIA may muck things up, but these are the cards we've been dealt, and I dont feel like waiting to hear about how my kids were blown up by terrorists at school; which of course you say will never happen, or if it does, it doesent matter in the long run, or if it does, nothing could have been done about it , its out of our hands
In all fairness, I guess if this was '41 and the Japanese had just bombed Pearl Harbor, youd be in favor of a WAR type, response.. Right ? (or would you be talking about how FDR set this up, and it all about trade routes and oil, and hegemony and the WAR Dept,and thats as far as they can reach, and who gives 2 spits about Pearl Harbor? Its not even a US State!!)
I suggest you read a book on US history, any book, even a liberal book of politicially correct US history lies.
Believe it or not, there were people in the West who said the same things about Nazis and Japanese Emperor-Worship as well.
20 years later, West Germany and Japan were two of the wealthiest nations in the world in addition to being two of our closest allies. The sons and daughters of Nazis and Kamikazes thanked us for liberating their countries from the tyranny of such toxic belief systems.
Do you think we should have left those belief systems intact?
As a Christian, it appears you are in need of an education on this subject. Please click on http://www.seafox.com/islam.html and read why Islam is a false religion.
Then the group dynamic, different from the personal dynamic, assumes priority over the individual. This may be counter to the natural aspect of one to one single personal interaction, but in time of war, it is a learned defense mechanism response. To regard an enemy as a collection of independently motivated persons is preposterous, and attempting to assess and delineate them individually under normal circumstances is ridiculous. In short, the left demands we consider the Moslems we are at war with as separate and uniquely possessed individuals and not of a group mentality, while at the same time regarding them as a group whose faith and beliefs are beyond introspection or criticism as a group. This is logical paradox in thought and thus irrational, and a suicidal practice in battle.
That's just about the only crime that hasn't been committed, by the US, in the pursuit of Christian ideals.
However, there are hundreds of thousands of dead Native Americans that might disagree. We have a long history of religious nutsism in the US.
Just because a declaration has never been given, doesn’t mean the same results haven’t occurred.
…Not that I in any way disagree with the course of action we are about to take, as a nation. I’m on board 100% but, I’m not on board with hatred, merely with the understanding of necessity.
Sitting around FR and lifting select lines from religious texts, for the purpose of enforcing a negative stereo-type does nothing but make us look like the ignorant racists that we are so often accused of being by pinheads like the people at DU.com.
I could sit here all day and pick and choose stupid lines - which are every bit as hate filled as the quotes above - from the Bible. Islam is no more fundamentally evil than the Jewish faith, or Hindu, or Buddhist, or even certain sects of Christianity and attempting to make villains out of Muslims, in general, is every bit as misguided and foul-minded as Muslim-extremists attempting to make villains out of Christians and Jews.
But, I’m sure you know all this, being the I’m-going-to-talk-down-to-you-idiots genius that you are.
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