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1 posted on 09/18/2001 5:13:39 PM PDT by Dan from Michigan
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To: Dan from Michigan
'SharkFRee' making sure there are no 'FReeploading mullet' here.

WHERE WOULD YOU GET YOUR NEWS FROM IF FREEREPUBLIC WASN'T HERE? Thread 3


2 posted on 09/18/2001 5:18:29 PM PDT by d14truth
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To: Dan from Michigan
The issue is not Israel. Usama bin Laden blew up a U.S. embassy when the Oslo "peace process" was at the height of its "success." The issue is the inability of Islamic regimes around the globe to come to grips with the modern world.

It certainly does have to do with Israel. The Islamic groups don't want Israel there (in their land, as given to them by the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob) and they know that it's the U.S. who supports Israel and keeps Israel there (i.e., able to defend itself).

During the height of the "Oslo peace process" -- that was the very reason to disrupt it -- in that it "was a success" (for the time being, that is). If it really did turn out to be a success that would have legitimized Israel to be there in the land. That's what the Islamic groups cannot stand. That's what they want to get rid of. That's why all their "maps" (in their countries) don't list "Israel". They can't even put the word "Israel" on paper -- on their maps.

And secondarily, these same groups are against Christians. A lot of Christians support Israel. But, Christians come into their own persecution, in their own right -- because a believer in Christ automatically is a "witness" and a condemnation of the false religion (and "false god" of Allah). Just by being a believe (by the very nature of Christianity) it condemns the validity of Islam (as a false religion).

So, it's very natural that the false religion of Islam persecutes both Israel, Jews, the U.S. and Christians.

This article is totally wrong.

3 posted on 09/18/2001 5:27:03 PM PDT by Star Traveler (aldebaran6640@hotmail.com)
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To: Dan from Michigan
Why is it that everywhere in the world where Muslims are in the majority, their minorities are persecuted?

Not a bad question.

4 posted on 09/18/2001 5:30:51 PM PDT by Blade
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To: Dan from Michigan
How much we try to be "P.C.", Islam is and will remain our enemy.
6 posted on 09/18/2001 6:26:37 PM PDT by freedom_from_socialism
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To: Dan from Michigan
the current hit song "I Hate Israel."

Now is that hit song only popular among the "small number of extremists" in Egypt, or is anyone willing to admit that hatred of Jews is widespread in the Islamic world?

8 posted on 09/19/2001 5:33:08 AM PDT by B Knotts
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To: Illbay, clikker, neutrino, parsifal, Storm Orphan
FYI BUMP.
9 posted on 09/19/2001 5:34:38 AM PDT by B Knotts
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To: cicero's_son, aposiopetic, JeepInMazar, 2sheep, LarryLied
FYI BUMP.
10 posted on 09/19/2001 5:35:07 AM PDT by B Knotts
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To: bootyist-monk, TBP, Romulus, imberedux, Publius6961
FYI BUMP.
11 posted on 09/19/2001 5:35:41 AM PDT by B Knotts
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To: redhawk, Woodkirk, CatoRenasci, newwahoo, The Documentary Lady, Romulus
FYI BUMP.
12 posted on 09/19/2001 5:39:24 AM PDT by B Knotts
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To: Dan from Michigan
You beat me to it Dan - you posted while I was writing this commentary on it - I'll have to learn to post first then add the comments later!

Reading this article made me realize what disturbs me when we have these radical Islamic attacks. When they happen, we have the news stories about Bin Laden, Hamas, Iraq and other places where there is strong support for attacking the US and Western Culture and Christianity. If we make noises about feeling anti-Arab or anti-Muslim we are correctly warned about allowing a bias against a group to become a racist blinding that could cause prejudicial behavior against innocents both here and abroad. OK, I can accept this, but I still have a problem.

Where are their co-religious clerics who are willing to criticize these heinous actions? Yes, we sometimes hear from our domestic Islamic community and maybe, depending upon the notoriety of the attack, Islamic Governments. What we don't hear is other foreign Islamic Clerics, Mosques or leaders who are willing to condem what we are so frequently told is Un-Islamic behavior.

Here in the West, if a religious leader or community behaves this way, there is an immediate outcry against the perpetuators from all sides. Look at our local most famous terrorist, Timothy McVeigh. The militia movements that he drew moral support from have been reduced to shamed silence and have, at best, barely 10-20% of the old membership.

Faced with this lack of outside condemnation of Islamic Extremists, what are we to believe? I can think of a series of choices;
1. Our vaunted news media is failing to find these Islamic moderates.
2. These moderate Islamacists are afraid to criticize these attacks.
3. These moderate Islamacist do not exist in the Islamic World.

So what am I missing here? I hope that there is something because I distinctly do NOT like the conclusions that this is leading me to, that there is no truely peaceful Islam!

17 posted on 09/19/2001 6:34:16 AM PDT by SES1066
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To: Dan from Michigan
I'm nervous to say what I feel. While we practice "tolerance" and "diversity" (through force of law) our adversaries continue to persecute anyone different from them.

Islam knows no "diversity."
Islam knows no "multiculturalism."
Islam knows no "tolerance of other's beliefs."
Islam knows only to conquer, subjugate and enslave.

Don't believe me? It is all in the Koran. Read it.

18 posted on 09/19/2001 6:45:27 AM PDT by Drew68
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To: Dan from Michigan
The issue is not Israel. Usama bin Laden blew up a U.S. embassy when the Oslo "peace process" was at the height of its "success." The issue is the inability of Islamic regimes around the globe to come to grips with the modern world.

This is very true, but one must keep in mind that radical Islamists do NOT want a peace accord with Israel. In fact, these are the people who assassinated Anwar Sadat for signing the Camp David Accords. The radical Palestinians are at their most dangerous when a cease-fire agreement is at hand.

30 posted on 09/19/2001 8:25:59 AM PDT by Illbay
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To: Dan from Michigan
You need to also understand that the religious violence in Nigeria is NOT strictly Muslims killing Christians, it is also the other way around. It is a true religious conflict with both sides inflicting damage.

It should also be understood that after the initial violence in Jos, the Muslim community rallied to help their Christian neighbors rebuild.

The threat from radical Islam is real, but this continual portrayal of "ALL MUSLIMS" as the enemy is inaccurate and ill-conceived.

31 posted on 09/19/2001 8:28:50 AM PDT by Illbay
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To: Dan from Michigan
I am trying to understand the subject. I understand that the whole issue is spiritual and its roots are deep in world history.

I read this article (and a couple others posted in the last few days) with enthusiasm and I would like to know much more.

Can someone answer this question:
In the commentary of my KJV - Scofield study Bible, It says that Islam presents the biggest challenge to Christians because Islam is most like Christianity.

That statement both surprises and confuses me. I would have thought that Christianity was most closely linked to Judaism - the antithesis of Islam.

Wasn't it Abram's effort to fulfill God's promise in his own way the start of the Arab-Israeli conflict? This being God's promise that the descendents of Ishmael would be against the descendents of Isaac.

Thanks for any response.

Russ

41 posted on 09/19/2001 9:02:53 AM PDT by kinsman redeemer
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To: Dan from Michigan
There is a common thread between EVERY troubled area on this planet, that is ISLAM. How can a religeon be the source of violance and hate as much as what America has finally seen. The writing was on the walls for several decades, and no American administration seemed to understand it. During the Gulf war, we sent troops to Saudi Arabia to liberate Kuwait; the Saudi government, our ally, requested that our soldiers not ware a cross, because it offends them. That by itself should have made our leaders understand that it is not only cells of terrorists or radical fundemantalists that hate us, it is rother the governments of Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, UAE, Egypt, Iran.... themselfs! Yesterday, the governments of Saudi Arabia, and United Arab Emrites announced that they will cut financial aid to the Taliban! No kidding, you mean they were aiding these misfits, who forbid women from working or going to schools? Any country that aid or support an uncivilized government like the Taliban should be branded guilty by association. This attack will end up costing our economy close to a trillion dollars? I would suggest the United States invade Saudi Arabia, Kuait, and UAE, and capture their oil for us and our allies, until we draine one trillion dollars worth of oil, and install a new democratic governments for them. If an Islamic preacher is forbiden from preaching hate and violance againest say the King of saudi Arabia because its government would arrest him, so why can't the same government arrest a preature that preaches hate against the America. The answer is because the government itself has similar feelings toward America.
48 posted on 09/19/2001 9:17:31 AM PDT by philosofy123
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To: Dan from Michigan
They forgot to mention "good" terrorists in Kosovo, Bosnia and Chechnya, that are supported by America. Any "war on terrorism" isn't credible until re-evaluation of "good" terrorists is done.
55 posted on 09/19/2001 9:27:23 AM PDT by madrussian
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To: Jeremiah Jr
Daniel 7:7 After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns.
66 posted on 09/19/2001 10:55:22 AM PDT by Thinkin' Gal
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To: Dan from Michigan
Why is it that everywhere in the world where Muslims are in the majority, their minorities are persecuted?

God had made his choice, they ain't it.

78 posted on 09/19/2001 6:06:25 PM PDT by TightSqueeze
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To: Dan from Michigan
"We have honored the children of Adam, provided them with transport on land and sea, and conferred on them special favors above a great part of our creation." (17:70)

"O mankind: fear your Guardian Lord who created you from a single self and created -out of it- its mate, and made from them twain scattered (like seeds) countless men and women." (4:1)

All people are equally eligible for the basic human rights, including the right to freely chose one's religion without coercion, for within Islam the space of the "other" is well preserved and protected.

"your return in the end is toward Allah.. He will tell you the truth of the things wherein you disputed." (6:164)

Muhammad said, ``Do not kill women or children or non-combatants and do not kill old people or religious people, Do not cut down fruit-bearing trees and do not poison the wells of your enemies.''

Frankly, the Old Testament (which Islam includes among its holy scriptures) is a far bloodier and gruesome document than the Koran.

81 posted on 09/21/2001 10:28:30 PM PDT by TBP
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