Radical Islam At War With America

To: Dan from Michigan

I am trying to understand the subject. I understand that the whole issue is spiritual and its roots are deep in world history.

I read this article (and a couple others posted in the last few days) with enthusiasm and I would like to know much more.

Can someone answer this question:
In the commentary of my KJV - Scofield study Bible, It says that Islam presents the biggest challenge to Christians because Islam is most like Christianity.

That statement both surprises and confuses me. I would have thought that Christianity was most closely linked to Judaism - the antithesis of Islam.

Wasn't it Abram's effort to fulfill God's promise in his own way the start of the Arab-Israeli conflict? This being God's promise that the descendents of Ishmael would be against the descendents of Isaac.

Thanks for any response.

Russ

41 posted on 09/19/2001 9:02:53 AM PDT by kinsman redeemer

42 posted on 09/19/2001 9:05:42 AM PDT by nattyman

To: cicero's_son

Well said. I think "Jihadism" is a good term for it. And, yes, it must be eradicated from the face of the earth. It has no place in a civilized world.

44 posted on 09/19/2001 9:08:28 AM PDT by B Knotts

I agree with much of what you say.

But my fear is that a number of our enemies--enemies abroad, I should specify--are hiding behind the myth of "the great peaceful masses."

Today's European Wall St. Journal has a great article about the Arab street reaction to the attack. Apparently, even the Arab Rodeo Drive is cheering the deaths of 5,000 of our countrymen.

I realize that we need to maintain the services of our lackey governors in the Middle East for the time being. But we shouldn't kid ourselves that the violent, expansionist temper of Islam expresses itself in only 1% or even 50% of the populations. It's more like 90%.

45 posted on 09/19/2001 9:13:04 AM PDT by cicero's_son

"radical Islam.

I guess another way of stating it is that in some parts of the world, "radical" doesn't necessarily "fringe."

It is possible for entire populations to be radicalized, as we saw in both Germany and Japan during WWII.

46 posted on 09/19/2001 9:15:14 AM PDT by cicero's_son

I forgot to add <> to my comments about the media.

47 posted on 09/19/2001 9:16:41 AM PDT by browardchad

To: Dan from Michigan

There is a common thread between EVERY troubled area on this planet, that is ISLAM. How can a religeon be the source of violance and hate as much as what America has finally seen. The writing was on the walls for several decades, and no American administration seemed to understand it. During the Gulf war, we sent troops to Saudi Arabia to liberate Kuwait; the Saudi government, our ally, requested that our soldiers not ware a cross, because it offends them. That by itself should have made our leaders understand that it is not only cells of terrorists or radical fundemantalists that hate us, it is rother the governments of Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, UAE, Egypt, Iran.... themselfs! Yesterday, the governments of Saudi Arabia, and United Arab Emrites announced that they will cut financial aid to the Taliban! No kidding, you mean they were aiding these misfits, who forbid women from working or going to schools? Any country that aid or support an uncivilized government like the Taliban should be branded guilty by association. This attack will end up costing our economy close to a trillion dollars? I would suggest the United States invade Saudi Arabia, Kuait, and UAE, and capture their oil for us and our allies, until we draine one trillion dollars worth of oil, and install a new democratic governments for them. If an Islamic preacher is forbiden from preaching hate and violance againest say the King of saudi Arabia because its government would arrest him, so why can't the same government arrest a preature that preaches hate against the America. The answer is because the government itself has similar feelings toward America.

48 posted on 09/19/2001 9:17:31 AM PDT by philosofy123

To: cicero's_son

oops.

"radical" doesn't necessarily mean "fringe."

49 posted on 09/19/2001 9:17:44 AM PDT by cicero's_son

To: philosofy123

Yesterday, the governments of Saudi Arabia, and United Arab Emrites announced that they will cut financial aid to the Taliban! No kidding, you mean they were aiding these misfits, who forbid women from working or going to schools? Any country that aid or support an uncivilized government like the Taliban should be branded guilty by association.

I regret to inform you that the U.S. was giving financial aid to the Taliban as well, in the name of the War on Drugs.

51 posted on 09/19/2001 9:21:04 AM PDT by B Knotts

Well, I don't think it would be unreasonable to simply say that we declare war on "Jihadism" (meaning radical, violent forms of Islam).

And we should ask Muslims to take the lead in rooting out this evil from their midst.

53 posted on 09/19/2001 9:26:22 AM PDT by B Knotts

To: Star Traveler

Christianity preached hate about thousand years ago. Christians finally decided to ignore interpreting certain sections of the bible to mean that they are better than others? or they should die in the deffence of their faith. Unfortunately, Islam is still in the sone-age, and its leaders are unable or affraid of developing a reform that implore its followers to live and let live!

54 posted on 09/19/2001 9:27:19 AM PDT by philosofy123

To: Dan from Michigan

They forgot to mention "good" terrorists in Kosovo, Bosnia and Chechnya, that are supported by America. Any "war on terrorism" isn't credible until re-evaluation of "good" terrorists is done.

55 posted on 09/19/2001 9:27:23 AM PDT by madrussian

To: philosofy123

To understand the following from me (and the other things that I also say), you have to understand that Christianity comes in two forms. One is "institutional" and/or "cultural" -- while the other is "fundamental" and "original" (as in the Scriptures, themselves).

Therefore, there is no doubt that there has been a total corruption of Christianity in the past and in many "institutional forms" throughout history (and even continually today).

But, what the Scriptures tell us (and from what Jesus Himself says) is that His Kingdom is "not of this world" -- which I would fairly take to mean that it doesn't have "institutional" grounding or "basis". In fact, Jesus said that the "basis" for Christianity -- from what He said to Peter -- is in the fact of Him being the Messiah and that He is seated at the right hand of God and rules all from Heaven. His Kingdom will come to this earth.

And so, we can very well know what God has said and will do -- from what His revealed word has said (the Scriptures), which remains unchanged from the beginning to this day. Jesus says that all will be fulfilled.

The vast corruption of the institutional church (which is not the "body of Christ") is very well documented. Christ takes "His own" out of the midst of that and doesn't work through "human intermediaries". His church is known to Him and Him alone. It has no need of any other human intermediary, besides Himself.

This is based upon the fact (from Scriptures) that the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob is the one true God and there is no other besides him. All others are the "false gods" of this world. And God makes it very clearly known that He will prove this through what occurs in the end days -- during the time of the Tribulation (as we seen in Revelation) and all others (in the world, the corrupt religions) will be thrown down and totally destroyed. At that time, Christ returns and sets up His total rule over all the earth, ruling from Jerusalem and in Israel, over all the nations of the earth.

This isn't about Christians being "better than others" -- but rather that the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is the "one true God" and there is no other besides Him. And that He has provided for the salvation of anyone in the world, through His Son, Jesus Christ. There is no othe way -- as He has made clear.

Thus, the false religion of Islam is simply one of those many false religions which will be thrown down by God, and His Son, Jesus Christ, when He sets up the Kingdom on this earth (soon to come, now). This false religion of Islam is recognized as being headed by the accuser, the father of lies -- who has his hand against Israel (an easily recognizable entity in the Bible) -- being Satan, who will be bound for that 1,000 years (as we see in Revelation) and then thrown into the lake of fire (at the end of Revelation), after the 1,000 years has been completed.

This is what is really going on -- the "battle of the ages" -- as we see outlined in the Bible and coming to its "high point" right now, with the soon coming of the Antichrist and his world rule and then the throwing down of all false religions and world Kingdoms, with the coming Kingdom of Jesus Christ at the end of that 7 years of Tribulation.

You're seeing the "opening stages" of that -- right now -- with the developing of this massive "war of the 21st Century" -- which is lining up the "sides".

57 posted on 09/19/2001 9:50:38 AM PDT by Star Traveler (aldebaran6640@hotmail.com)

I don't see how you declare war on an idea or a concept.

Didn't we do that in WWII when we declared war on Fascism and Nazism?

58 posted on 09/19/2001 9:51:38 AM PDT by B Knotts

This is one of the best editorials I have read in a long time. The author has seen the true nature of Islam, I admire his writing it now, as it is sure to create a backlash among the 'tolerance at all costs crowd'.

Well, it's the "focal point" that is totally wrong. It may be true that this is *also* true (the other things that are said), but it shifts the true focus. Islam is *totally against* Christians and Jews (the people of the book) -- as they are mentioned *very specifically*.

Where are the other religions mentioned specifically by them -- in their writings? I see it repeatedly mentioned about the "people of the book" and the "Jews" and the "Christians".

So, while they are against all others -- they are also against these two groups specifically -- who are "primarily joined" in one aspect -- in that they both have the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob as their one true God (while Islam has the "god of this world" [as mentioned in the Bible] as their "god").

It's totally wrong in its "focus".

59 posted on 09/19/2001 9:55:49 AM PDT by Star Traveler (aldebaran6640@hotmail.com)

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