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Radical Islam At War With America
FOX NEWS and NY POST ^ | Sept 18-01 | Fred Siegel

Posted on 09/18/2001 5:13:39 PM PDT by Dan from Michigan

Edited on 04/22/2004 12:31:07 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

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To: SES1066
If we make noises about feeling anti-Arab or anti-Muslim we are correctly warned about allowing a bias against a group to become a racist blinding that could cause prejudicial behavior against innocents both here and abroad.

A point well taken, to which I would add that these warnings and outcries come primarily from the Muslim community itself, which has unfortunately become adept at distorting the concept of civil liberties.

GW has stated that terrorists strike, and then run and hide – but they are hiding in more than mountain caves: they are hiding behind our constitution, our media, our politically-motivated and self-serving elected officials, and the distorted concept of multi-culturalism which hyphenates another nation’s name before that of America. It is not a coincidence that the word “globalism” plays an essential part in American Islamic rhetoric.

A basic question, which has to be answered if we are to survive as a nation: Is Islam a religion, or a political movement? I believe it is the latter, even if there are “decent people” who manage to live by a more moderate interpretation of its religious tenets, and who do not harbor hate for non-Muslims. Unfortunately, I believe even these people are potential fodder for the hate machine, if only through close proximity.

This is not meant as inflammatory – we desperately need an honest, open dialog on this subject, if only to encourage those who can prove otherwise to do so – we need more than anecdotal reference to an individual here or there. The silence from the muslim community in America on this issue of where their loyalties lie has been deafening.

21 posted on 09/19/2001 7:35:28 AM PDT by browardchad
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To: tex-oma
Please. Hatred and critical examination are two different things. This waving of hands every time anyone asks legitimate questions about what appears to be a pattern of intolerance and oppression by people who subscribe a particular philosophy (albeit one which is clearly influenced by religion) grows tiresome.
22 posted on 09/19/2001 7:51:44 AM PDT by B Knotts
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To: B Knotts
Thanks for the ping!
23 posted on 09/19/2001 7:58:11 AM PDT by neutrino (Neutrino)
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To: Diojneez
It would appear that Islam is satanic, and its practitioners are evil.

I'm not sure if you were being sarcastic, or if you really think that.

I'm not about to denounce the whole religion as evil. On the other hand, I'm not afraid to suggest that the way the religion is presently practiced in many parts of the world has major flaws, and is, at best, failing to discourage large numbers of followers from holding hateful views in its name.

24 posted on 09/19/2001 8:03:59 AM PDT by B Knotts
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To: Kalashnikov_68
Islam wherever it has been established has been a totalitarian ideology. Non-Muslims in Islamic societies exist at all at the mercy and tolerance of the Muslim majority. Which basically means their existence is precarious indeed. Now its true Muslims show acceptance of living in non-Muslim majority societies but its hard to say how much of this adjustment is tactical and how much is sincere. There is no question though that there is no place for equal rights for non-Muslims in Muslim societies. Islam is a state as well as a religion and the community does not embrace non-believers within the orbit of protection except in a circumscribed and subordinate condition. So much for Muslim tolerance.
26 posted on 09/19/2001 8:10:20 AM PDT by goldstategop
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To: The Documentary Lady
But this isn't a question of race, or strictly speaking, even religion. It is a question of culture.

Our culture embraces tolerance, but we are facing a culture ("Radical Islam") which absolutely abhors tolerance, and as a result, abhors our culture. It is not unreasonable to suggest that, for instance, Saudi Arabia's utter intolerance of religions other than Islam, subjugation of women, and prohibition of apostasy, are indicative of a culture which is wrong-headed. In my opinion, we are right to denounce such a culture; it does not make us "intolerant." Failure to denounce such a culture is defacto approval thereof.

28 posted on 09/19/2001 8:16:46 AM PDT by B Knotts
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To: tex-oma
It no doubt is of concern that those who would like to paint FreeRepublic in a bad light would seize on the posts which seem to express such an all inclusive condemnation.

So, is this article an all-inclusive condemnation?

``These acts of violence against innocents violate the fundamental tenets of the Islamic faith and it's important for my fellow Americans to understand that,'' Bush said. ``The face of terror is not the true faith of Islam.''

Well, that's the question, isn't it? Is violence, subjugation, intolerance foreign to true Islam? One would hope so. But, if that's the case, why is it the case that in virtually every country with a Muslim majority, there is persecution of religious minorities?

At minimum, I think it's fair to say that the imams need to do a better job of spreading the true faith.

29 posted on 09/19/2001 8:22:05 AM PDT by B Knotts
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To: Dan from Michigan
The issue is not Israel. Usama bin Laden blew up a U.S. embassy when the Oslo "peace process" was at the height of its "success." The issue is the inability of Islamic regimes around the globe to come to grips with the modern world.

This is very true, but one must keep in mind that radical Islamists do NOT want a peace accord with Israel. In fact, these are the people who assassinated Anwar Sadat for signing the Camp David Accords. The radical Palestinians are at their most dangerous when a cease-fire agreement is at hand.

30 posted on 09/19/2001 8:25:59 AM PDT by Illbay
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To: Dan from Michigan
You need to also understand that the religious violence in Nigeria is NOT strictly Muslims killing Christians, it is also the other way around. It is a true religious conflict with both sides inflicting damage.

It should also be understood that after the initial violence in Jos, the Muslim community rallied to help their Christian neighbors rebuild.

The threat from radical Islam is real, but this continual portrayal of "ALL MUSLIMS" as the enemy is inaccurate and ill-conceived.

31 posted on 09/19/2001 8:28:50 AM PDT by Illbay
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To: Star Traveler
...their land, as given to them by the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob...

Funny. I could have sworn the U.N. partitioned Palestine and created the secular, political state of Israel.

32 posted on 09/19/2001 8:30:11 AM PDT by Illbay
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To: tex-oma
True...although Catholics get much worse than that in the religious threads. :-(
35 posted on 09/19/2001 8:36:38 AM PDT by B Knotts
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To: tex-oma
``In our anger and emotion, our fellow Americans must treat each other with respect''

Agreed.

But why is it that this respect doesn't appear to be extended to those of the Christian community by the media?

We have not seen any media mogul demand that a Muslim leader from this country denounce its extremists, and yet the media has vehemently castigated Falwell and Robinson for their ill-timed comments. O'Reilly, who at times of crisis proves even more emphatically that he cares for nothing but ratings, last night insisted that a Christian leader publicly divorce her organization from Falwell's because of his comments.

If we must, in this time of crisis, give up our right to speak openly about Muslim fallacies, then why is not the same tolerance extended to those of other religious beliefs? We know that fundamentalist Christians have always believed the wrath of God will be visited upon us for what they percive as immorality, but this is suddenly treated not as merely inappropriate, but as subversive.

36 posted on 09/19/2001 8:37:15 AM PDT by browardchad
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To: Illbay
You are right.

Per today's Wall St. Journal (Europe), it's only 90% of Muslims who are cheering the deaths of our countrymen.

39 posted on 09/19/2001 8:58:43 AM PDT by cicero's_son
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To: tex-oma
In WWII, we all knew that the belief system of Nazism was the enemy. It had captured the German mind, and the survival of civilization depended on defeating it.

It is not "hatred" to say that the survival of civilization depends today on eradicating radical Islam.

40 posted on 09/19/2001 9:01:29 AM PDT by cicero's_son
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