Posted on 09/17/2001 11:55:01 PM PDT by kattracks
Edited on 07/12/2004 3:47:02 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]
U.S. intelligence officials are investigating ties between the terrorists who carried out suicide airliner attacks and associates of Osama bin Laden based in Albania.
The connections were described as support for the terrorist operation to hijack U.S. commercial jetliners and crash them into the Pentagon and the World Trade Center, according to U.S. intelligence officials.
(Excerpt) Read more at washtimes.com ...
I'm talking about legally binding evidence which can be used in court. There is very little, if any.
Tell me Kate, is their legally binding evidence for the WTC terrorist attacks to Osama Bin Laden? Is it obvious that he was behind it? Without any doubt?
What was Milosevic when those crimes were comitted? Was he just some politician, or was he president, having the army under his command? He admitted that he financed and suppored the same paramilitary and military forces that comitted war crimes in Bosnia, Kosovo and Croatia. And there is no legally binding evidence?
Based on such standards we could then excuse the KLA of their crimes, the Croat generals of their responsibility for crimes against Serbs, or Naser Oric for the crimes of his forces against Serbs. But we know they were responsible for those crimes and they will (or have already been) be hold responsible for their actions. Just as Milosevic will be. Like it or not.
If you sincerely believe that Milosevic is innocent and has nothing to do what happened in Bosnia, Croatia, Kosovo, ignoring all the facts and his position, then you'r very naive.
Or you just simply taken the position of defending certain people accused of war crimes. I for one will not defend and justify anyone responsible for such crimes, regardless what nationality that person is. And I will surely never call those people patriots, or freedom fighters, when they're everything but that.
There is absolutely nothing patriotic in killing civilians, raping women, burning houses, or levelling whole cities/villages to the ground. Whoever did those things. Am I clear enough Kate?
In doing so, we forced Milosevic to pull back his forces which killed easily 10 to 20 times that number, depending upon whether you go by just corpses that have been recovered or add in those who are still missing.
Facts.
If we had to do it again, I'd support our doing it again.
Again, your 'facts' are polluted by the recursive hairball of Serb agitprop that gets inserted into conversations and passed off as truth. It doesn't help that you yourself have tried to add to the mass of lies, Kate, and refuse to correct your erroneous statements.
It's pretty simple what I'm saying and how it addresses your comments - let's see how long you have to move your lips and whether you can connect the dots, shall we?
As a couple final rhetorical questions for you, why don't you track down how many Serb civilains were actually killed in Allied Force, given that it's been two years since it finished, and even the most incompetent government would be able to piece together a list of names - unless they had motives for not doing so, and, hows about you tell me how many Serbs lost their lives at the hands of their bretheren ringing the hills of Sarajevo during the bombardment from 92-95, unless you feel that their blood wasn't innocent for some reason.
Always amusing to watch you try to piece together a world that fits your opinion, instead of the reverse.
How's life in the R.S. these days? Ready to join with the rest of Bosnia in the next decade?
= )
All for naught, your war...
That goes for the one you and your ilk are waging here on F.R. too.
See you in the BiH, chum.
That's not to say that Milosevic didn't have anything to do with what happened in Bosnia or elsewhere, but only that these are not convincing proof of it.
And before you lecture me about only accepting sources that support my point of view, you will find that ALL of my references come from established news sources. I wouldn't expect you to accept references from pro-Serb or pro-Milosevic sites, so don't expect me to accept the reverse.
The time for sentiment has passed -- leave it to those who find this forum a place to feel good about themselves. And besides, when the Islamic entente kill tens of thousands with their next strike, well, best to have a few tears in reserve.
If you think about it you will realize that the KLA does not get weapons from Afghanistan -- although many fighters received training in the past there. When you realize that the legitimate forces of democratically elected president Aslan Maskhadov in Chechnya receive their Stinger missiles from Kosovo (per the "secret" protocols established by Cheney confidante and Houston neighbour Harlan Crowe on his trip to the province late last year) you can better visualise that the weapons flow West to East.
Also I think you are in error to believe that the Afghan extremists are in a state of "emminent overthrow." While I think the US will prevail if the current leadership can maintain operational integrity (a big if) -- rest assured the Taliban will be running Afghanistan for decades barring an American nuclear strike.
Read Mr D's latest analysis if you are interested. I think Incorrigible posted a link to it somewhere (maybe this thread).
The fallout for the KLA? Negligible -- the US needs them more than ever now. I think more in terms of the political fallout in the US. For example, should Mr D indeed support the Piedmont Congressman Burr against the carpetbagger Elizabeth Dole for the NC Senate seat in the GOP primary -- then I imagine extensive information will be released concerning the recent Islamic entente financial support going to her campaign.
I would imagine this smoking gun -- many of the checks already cashed from the same financial fronts that reaped huge gains selling US airline and insurance stocks short last week -- will knock her out of the box. Then again hubby Bob may make sure that the KLA's mission to liberate the Tetovo Republic and ensure Kosovo independence is not compromised by this current war -- and Mr D may support her....
Politics is a funny business...
So don't even begin to imagine anybody gives a rat's rear end about these Serb apologists and their lunatic attempts to draw linkage between the KLA and the Islamic entente. KLA elements trained in these camps are/were composed primarily of air defence specialists used for the Firebase Aracinovo campaign to interdict Skopje airport with American Stinger missiles -- and urban fighters.
Yes, several dozen urban combat specialists now operating in Tetovo are graduates of these camps. They are primarily used for nighttime attacks against Macedonian police and Serb intelligence assets. These Eastern warriors specialize in the silent kill -- using the blade to slit the throats of their young conscript victims. Sort of a terror thing yes, but used only against combatants as is now the case in Chechnya.
The American goal now to is strike the Afghan air-defence grid as quickly as possible. Already much of it is being dismantled and hidden away. If America waits another week to neutralize these sites it will be too late. Then like Saddam's Scuds, they will always be a hidden threat -- popping up at the most inopportune times to deal US casualties.
As for Peter Chappell, he is one lucky guy as this war has probably won him a reprieve from K-6. Then again, with Americans hunkered down in Banja Luka of all places in Bosnia -- the Islamic entente death squads now hunting Westerners in the Balkans just might do everybody a favour...
Should be most interesting...
The forces of freedom on the move. Europe trembles.
These figures were based largely on testimony as translated by the KLA, the same KLA that is associated with the terrorist network that has just killed 5000+ Americans. You can believe a terrorist organization that has just killed 5000 of your own (assuming you're American, of course), but forgive me if I don't.
Geraldo Rivera does. He's proud of his association and support of the murderous Albanian gangsters and terrorists.
Richard W.
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