Posted on 09/16/2001 12:17:04 PM PDT by meta
Freedom builds strength: it has made America the greatest power on Earth.
Trading freedom for a promise of security, though, has too often hobbled and disarmed us.
How can restoration of traditional liberties strengthen us in time of war?
Then, I think most of us could agree on some legitimate domestic security measures, as long as they automatically become null and void upon completion of the war (i.e., surrender of the enemy, completion of objectives, etc.).
Sadly, I suspect that the people pushing this stuff would not accept such limitations on their schemes.
Agreed. Not only that, but I honestly feel that the reason we have no WTC today is precisely because too many of our freedoms have been compromised and cancelled because the folks we trusted to honor their oaths violated those oaths. How far would those murdering terrorists gotten with their little knives if couple of Americans had their personal weapons with them on the flight? How far would Colin Furguson gotten on the Long Island Railroad massacre? How many kids would have died at Colombine? We've lost too much freedom now.
Benjamin Franklin said:
"Those who would give up
essential liberty to purchase a
little temporary safety deserve
neither liberty nor safety."
Such as letting people use their judgment, carry arms, etc.?
The 2nd Amendment puts it pretty clearly. The security of a free state depends on the right of the people to be armed.
The simple question was how liberty, the source of our strength as a nation,
can aid security today. No whining here, I think.
Care to help us think about strengthening America?
"But what use could little old civilian handguns possibly be in a modern war..."
Yes, the rules just changed.
War has come home, and domestic law is interfering with defense.
I see that you have elevated safety over freedom. That's fine, but don't ever ask anyone to fight wars for freedom anymore. You see, wars are very dangerous things and people get killed, and since safety is worth more than freedom, dangerous wars for freedom don't make sense anymore. Since safety is now our biggest concern, you'll have to ask people to fight and die for safety, and that is a self-contradiction.
Your statement is a slap in the face of every American who made the ultimate sacrifice for our LIBERTY, not safety.
So there will be armed sky marshals on flights. HOW DOES THAT CONSTRAIN YOUR LIBERTY?
In case you haven't been paying attention, there's serious talk about lots of other measures including fingerprinting, national ID cards (internal passports), registration of citizens with local police, wiretaps without warrants
The list goes on and on and is only getting longer.
Revoke gun control laws so that we may protect ourselves. All the restrictive laws already in place after previous incidents didn't stop this attack, and more restrictive laws won't stop the next one.
What's your suggestion?
Heres a couple.
Allow CCW carry by peace officers or citizens that pass peace officer training. Training to be provided by municipalities.
Allow open carry by citizens unless prohibited by private individuals in their own property.
Allow lawsuits against legislators when they pass laws that hamper citizens from protecting themselves against criminal attacks.
Eliminate foreign aid, loans to foreign countries secured with real assets only.
Mandatory service in the armed forces for every able-bodied citizen performed in the community they live in, for a few weeks out of the year.
Notice that this applies to Citizens; not immigrants or illegal aliens or tourists. It's high time Citizenship in this country was granted privilege as in all other countries.
Would you feel safer on an airline that flies only
"good risk" passengers, as judged by the company?
I would.
Are airline executives now free to offer this safer service?
I think not.
So here, we're sacrificing BOTH liberty AND security.
Here, greater liberty would strengthen security.
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