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Advanced Warning to US About Three Afghan Associates of Bin Laden Held in Cayman Islands
NBCNews ^ | September 15, 2001 | Kerry Sanders

Posted on 09/15/2001 2:52:56 PM PDT by OKCSubmariner

NBC’s Kerry Sanders reported late Friday that U.S. officials were investigating a letter sent anonymously to a radio station in the Cayman Islands on Aug. 29.

The letter said the writer was convinced that three Afghan men who he said entered the islands illegally were agents of bin Laden and were organizing a “major terrorist attack” against the United States “via an airline or airlines.”

The radio station forwarded the letter to Cayman Islands officials on Sept. 6. It was treated merely as speculation, however, until the terrorist strikes five days later. Sanders reported that authorities had since identified and interviewed the writer and that three Afghan men were being held in the Cayman Islands on immigration charges.


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To: OKCSubmariner, BlueDogDemo
Please use your contacts with Fed law enforcement and in the Bush administration to start working immediately on getting the FBI/CIA to pass on more info like this to local local law enforcement as soon as possible.

Excellent suggestion. I believe the next attack will be something completely unexpected and it is time for us to do things different to prepare.

21 posted on 09/15/2001 6:09:44 PM PDT by honway
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To: BlueDogDemo
. If these three men were in Georgetown, the airport there doesn't have flight simulators that would help--so there is only one thing there that would be a link to this terrorist act---MONEY?

Excellent analysis. I hope our underfunded and understaffed intelligence community are reading your posts.

You nailed it.

22 posted on 09/15/2001 6:13:19 PM PDT by honway
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To: OKCSubmariner
thanks for the heads up
23 posted on 09/15/2001 6:19:17 PM PDT by IRtorqued
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To: OKCSubmariner,Plummz,_Jim
My daughter resides on Grand Cayman. Oren Roberts is an antiquaited airport largely run by the incompetent government.

The radio station does not ordinarily receive crackpot notices of this nature. The radio station immediately forwarded the information to the Cayman immigration authorities. Cayman was more concerned with the 3 Afghanistan men being on the island illegally than with their alleged warning. That is status quo for the Cayman authorities.

24 posted on 09/15/2001 6:46:02 PM PDT by onyx
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To: OKCSubmariner
Thanks for posting this! I've been too busy to watch broadcast television beyond FOX News, and C-SPAN. This sounds like par for the course. Raw intelligence that eventually is legitimated is routinely before-hand discounted as "not from OUR team's sources" or "too damn scary to believe!" or lastly as "just more STATIC."
25 posted on 09/15/2001 7:54:25 PM PDT by Paul Ross (Because No One is Above the Law!)
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To: OKCSubmariner
In Schippers' wonderful book, Sellout, he reveals a lot of information about how AlGore spearheaded the drive to allow several hundred thousand aliens to gain quickie citizenship in order to bolster democrat chances in key states such as Florida in the 1996 election. Although the Hispanics were the primary group affected, I wonder how much the overall opening of the floodgates and the laxity of the INS can be pinned to Clinton/Gore. My guess is plenty, and that means there's blood on their hands.
27 posted on 09/15/2001 8:07:22 PM PDT by TruthShallSetYouFree
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To: TruthShallSetYouFree
If you remember, according to algore the zombie and Lieberman the whiner, it is Microsoft, the drug companies and all big business that is the true enemy of the American people.

Richard W.

29 posted on 09/15/2001 8:14:45 PM PDT by arete (richard@mail.fwi.com)
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To: OKCSubmariner
Bureaucracy plays a role in the lack of cooperation with local authorities. Once, I got a case in which some clown was defrauding people with phony cashier's checks to purchase vehicles. He had done this before, and it took five years to finally apprehend him the first time. This time, I xeroxed the main serials in the file, and took it to the police station in the local community where the fraud took place, telling the officers to use their fax machines to spread it around. Result: About five weeks later, my supervisor informed me that the clown had been chased from the extreme northern US to Miami, as police departments across the country had received the material via fax and knew right away at the first report of a phony check exactly what perp had done it. His last theft was of the boat he used to flee to a Caribbean Island, where the boat he stole with a phony check was located. The only problem: MY FIELD OFFICE DIDN'T GET CREDIT FOR THE CASE, as the locals in Florida told the local Field Office and they got credit, even though our field office started torturing the perp.

Start giving some kind of statistical reward for cases like this, and there would be more cooperation. A perp who took five years to catch the first time, was chased clear out of the country by relentless pursuit of informed local officers in FIVE WEEKS, but the suits were unhappy because someone else got "the credit."</p.

30 posted on 09/15/2001 8:15:07 PM PDT by roughrider
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To: BlueDogDemo
Please see roughrider's reply #30. It pertains to things you have written about recently.
31 posted on 09/15/2001 9:35:10 PM PDT by OKCSubmariner
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To: BlueDogDemo
Great find in reply #28. Thanks.
32 posted on 09/15/2001 9:38:46 PM PDT by OKCSubmariner
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To: Plummz
Keep your eye on Michael Isikoff[sp?] His most hard-hitting stories slam the FBI and involve some pretty good inside scoop . . . . . . . from . . . .?
33 posted on 09/15/2001 9:43:37 PM PDT by LSJohn
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To: Plummz
Er . . . ditto Fred Francis.
34 posted on 09/15/2001 9:44:19 PM PDT by LSJohn
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To: _Jim
Lived near OKC...

Maybe we found John Doe 2---oh, I forgot, he doesn't exist, right?

35 posted on 09/15/2001 9:50:35 PM PDT by SEA
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To: SEA
No - he *did* exist, but it was a case of mistaken identity ...

From:
THE JOHN DOE TIMES,
Vol. V, Number 3,
22 March 1997

It appears the the *source* for all this conspiracy talk is the result of a dis-information campaign conducted by TMcV's defense attorney - and John Doe #2 was a case of mistaken identity ...

Less than two weeks after the blast, investigators had found a man who exactly fit Kessinger's description of John Doe 2.

The man, an innocent soldier named Todd Bunting, had been in Elliott's Body Shop the day after McVeigh rented the Ryder truck.

But Kessinger stubbornly insisted that he had seen the two men together on the same day.

Only last November ['96] did Kessinger finally change his mind and identify Bunting as John Doe 2.

Jones, McVeigh's lawyer, relished bringing out Kessinger's contradictions at a hearing last month. Despite the judge's order not to talk about evidence or strategy to reporters, Jones kept feeding speculation to the press.

There was the suggestion that two Ryder trucks were involved in the blast and that the Feds had been warned before the bombing.

Government sources say Jones's theories are farfetched. But by hiring conspiracy-minded detectives (at taxpayer expense: Jones has so far billed the government for about $10 million), he hopes to baffle prospective jurors.

The FBI also has to worry about reports that its lab has become slipshod. Fortunately for the government, the FBI lab "whistle-blower," Frederic Whitehurst, was once Burmeister's mentor.

In fact, Whitehurst is on record saying that some of Burmeister's OKBomb work was "brilliant."

If Jones is going to play the role of Johnnie Cochran, he must find a sympathetic jury. The pool around Denver may have some anti-government views. It takes only a single juror to hang a verdict. But it would have to be a very stubborn juror indeed to hold out in the face of the evidence against Timothy McVeigh.


36 posted on 09/15/2001 9:56:33 PM PDT by _Jim
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To: _Jim
_Jim, just wondering, do you consider Israeli intelligence to be "Art Bell types?" You folks are doing a great job, keep it up.

[TITLE} Israeli security issued urgent warning to CIA of large-scale terror attacks

The Sunday Telegraph, London

By David Wastell in Washington and Philip Jacobson in Jerusalem

(Filed: 16/09/2001)

ISRAELI intelligence officials say that they warned their counterparts in the United States last month that large-scale terrorist attacks on highly visible targets on the American mainland were imminent.

The attacks on the World Trade Centre's twin towers and the Pentagon were humiliating blows to the intelligence services, which failed to foresee them, and to the defence forces of the most powerful nation in the world, which failed to deflect them.

The Telegraph has learnt that two senior experts with Mossad, the Israeli military intelligence service, were sent to Washington in August to alert the CIA and FBI to the existence of a cell of as many of 200 terrorists said to be preparing a big operation.

"They had no specific information about what was being planned but linked the plot to Osama bin Laden and told the Americans that there were strong grounds for suspecting Iraqi involvement," said a senior Israeli security official. The CIA has said that it had no hard information that would have led to the prevention of the hijacking, but the FBI said it believed that cells operating within America and totalling at least 50 terrorists were behind last week's devastating hijacks; the names of new suspects are being added to the list daily.

America's intelligence agencies are being widely blamed for their failure to predict the attacks, or anything like them, and for not discovering any of the terrorist cells before the hijackings on Tuesday. Some of those who took part had lived in the US for months, or even years.

Evidence that a clear Israeli warning was delivered to American authorities, but ignored, would be a further blow to the reputation of the CIA, which is under fire for its failure last week. [Note by Judge Parker: The fact that the FBI didn't do anything apparently doesn't surprise anyone, and consequently, it will not come "uner fire."]

An administration official in Washington said: "If this is true then the refusal to take it seriously will mean heads will roll. It is quite credible that the CIA might not heed a Mossad warning: it has a history of being overcautious about Israeli information."

For years, staff at the Pentagon joked that they worked at "Ground Zero", the spot at which an incoming nuclear missile aimed at America's defences would explode. There is even a snack bar of that name in the central courtyard of the five-sided building, America's most obvious military bullseye.

This weekend, five days after that target was struck with devastating effect by a hijacked plane, the joking has stopped.

It is far from certain that any military commander would have had the courage to recommend shooting down a passenger airliner, even in the unprecedented circumstances of last Tuesday.

For three of the four airliners hijacked last week, however, the question did not even arise. Two pairs of combat fighters were scrambled into action but did not get near enough to shoot any of them down.

Norad, the command headquarters in Colorado responsible for defending all of North America from air attack, was notified of the first hijack at 8.38am and six minutes later two F-15 fighter jets were ordered into the air from Otis airforce base on Cape Cod.

Before they could take off, however, the first hijacked airliner crashed into the World Trade Centre's north tower at 8.46am. Six minutes later the two military jets were airborne, but when the second hijacked airliner hit the south tower shortly after 9am they were still 70 miles from Manhattan.

The only successful action against the hijackers was taken by passengers of the fourth airliner, whose heroic decision to fight back led to its crashing into the fields of Pennsylvania. [Note by Judge Parker: _Jim, thank God for the American people, at least someone did something to damage limit the terrorist operation.]

The reason lies in the strict distinction America draws between civil and military power, combined with the fact that until last week nobody had confronted the possibility that a terrorist hijacker might turn kamikaze pilot. Although Norad has its own radar system to track aircraft over the US, its prime task is to watch for hostile aircraft approaching America from outside. "We assume anything originating in US airspace is friendly," said a spokesman.

For the same reason, the 20 or so American fighter planes on permanent full alert in case of a suspect intruder, were deployed at half a dozen bases in the likeliest flightpaths of an attack from the former Soviet Union, several hundred miles from New York or Washington DC.

All aircraft flying over American airspace are monitored and controlled by a network of 20 regional Federal Aviation Authority air traffic control centres, backed up by individual airport control towers. Military aircraft under Norad control can intervene with domestic traffic only if called on for help by their civilian colleagues.

That is what happened on Tuesday, but in no case was there apparently enough time after the FAA's warning for fighter planes to reach the hijacked airliners.

More puzzling, there were 45 minutes between air traffic controllers losing contact with the third airliner, which took off from Dulles airport just outside Washington, and its crash on to the Pentagon.

At that point, however, the aircraft was still flying on its intended course westwards. It may not have been until later, possibly after a passenger's mobile phone call to the Justice Department, that the civil authorities finally twigged what was happening.

It was not the military but civilian air traffic controllers at Washington's Reagan National Airport - tipped off by their colleagues at Dulles - who alerted the White House to the fact that an unauthorised jet was flying at full throttle towards it.

As shaken White House staff began a frantic evacuation, the aircraft banked, performed a 270 degree turn and sailed past lines of aghast drivers on expressways to crash explosively into the west side of the Pentagon.

If the airliner had approached much nearer to the White House it might have been shot down by the Secret Service, who are believed to have a battery of ground-to-air Stinger missiles ready to defend the president's home.

The Pentagon is not similarly defended. "We are an open society," said a military official. "We don't have soldiers positioned on the White House lawn and we don't have the Pentagon ringed with bunkers and tanks."

It emerged last night that two F-16 fighters took off from Langley airforce base in Virginia just two minutes before the American Airlines Boeing 767 crashed into the Pentagon, again too late to have a chance of intercepting.

Only the fourth hijacked airliner, which was less than 30 minutes from Washington when it crashed, might have been successfully intercepted: air traffic controllers at a regional centre in Nashua, New Hampshire, told a Boston newspaper that at least one F-16 fighter was in hot pursuit, and defence officials confirmed that the fighters already launched from Langley were on their way to intercept the flight when passengers apparently took matters into their own hands.

Deep inside the Pentagon, in the hardened bunkers of the National Military Joint Intelligence Centre, senior officials were said to be "stunned" by the terrorists' achievement.

Within minutes of the attack American forces around the world were put on one of their highest states of alert - Defcon 3, just two notches short of all-out war - and F-16s from Andrews Air Force Base were in the air over Washington DC.

A flotilla of warships was deployed along the east coast from bases in Virginia and Florida, with two aircraft-carriers to help protect the airspace around New York and Washington DC. Off the west coast, a further 10 ships put to sea to take up station close to the shore.

Extra Awacs aerial reconnaissance aircraft were sent aloft to ensure that nothing other than military aircraft flew in American airspace - a home-grown version of the "no-fly zones" enforced for many years over Iraq. For much of the rest of the week, the unsettling roar of F-15 and F-16 fighters patrolling the skies high above America's biggest cities replaced the usual rumble of commercial airliners.

On Friday, in a tacit admission that America must in future be better prepared, Donald Rumsfeld, the Defence Secretary, announced that fighters were being put on a 15-minute "strip" alert at 26 bases nationwide.

There was anger among politicians at what many saw as the failure of the intelligence services, and some officials on Capitol Hill began canvassing support for a move to force George Tenet, the director of the Central Intelligence Agency, originally appointed by Clinton, to step aside.

James Traficant, a Democratic congressman from Pennsylvania, said that for years Congress had poured billions of dollars of largely unscrutinised funding into America's intelligence services, "yet we learnt of every one of these tragedies from Fox News and CNN"- two television channels. Senator Richard Shelby, a Republican member of the Senate intelligence committee, said it was "a failure of great dimension".

There are moves to address one severe shortcoming noted by many critics: the CIA's reliance on technological rather than "human" means to gather information, and its weakness as a means of finding out what Osama bin Laden is up to.

During the Clinton administration, Congress banned the CIA from recruiting as a paid informer anyone with a criminal record or who was guilty of human rights violations. James Woolsey, another former CIA director, said: "Inside bin Laden's organisation there are only people who want to be human rights violators. If you don't recruit them then you don't recruit anyone."

37 posted on 09/15/2001 9:56:35 PM PDT by Judge Parker
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To: Judge Parker
Looks like you're confusing the apples I was talking about with the oranges you've now got in your basket ...
38 posted on 09/15/2001 10:00:38 PM PDT by _Jim
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To: Judge Parker
Regarding Jim's reply #38:

If you had apples in your basket, Jim would say he was talking about oranges.

Jim like some NWO socialist moles now in the FBI and CIA and BATF at the highest levels are masters of deceit and deflection. They think they are above it all and safe. They feel like they know how to manipulate terrorists to save themselves even it it means they get the rest of us killed.

Jim and his kind behave like smug information terrorists in their own warped, condescending ways. They are deluded and think they are above it all and untouchable. There is no bad fact about the FBI and CIA that they do not know how to spin their way out of and they know how to try to destroy the reputations of honest messengers.

39 posted on 09/15/2001 10:15:31 PM PDT by OKCSubmariner
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To: t-shirt
Please see reply #38 and #39.
40 posted on 09/15/2001 10:17:34 PM PDT by OKCSubmariner
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