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Scripture Fulfilled: Rev. 17 & 18 Predicted the NY Attacks!
Revelation 17, 18 | September 15, 2001 | Hebrews 11:6

Posted on 09/15/2001 12:11:44 PM PDT by Hebrews 11:6

THE NEW YORK ATTACKS WERE THE FULFILLMENT OF REVELATION 17 & 18

1. IT FITS THE SCRIPTURAL CONTEXT
The description of "Babylon’s" destruction in Rev. 17-18 follows the depiction of 28 judgments: the 7 Seals, 7 Trumpets, 7 Plagues, and 7 Bowls (Rev. 6-16), so the natural presumption is that it must follow them in time. Since those judgments have not yet occurred, it seems logical to conclude that this event must still lie in the future. However, a closer reading suggests just the opposite: that the destruction of Babylon precedes these judgments. There are two reasons:

(1) Internal Timing Clues
In Rev. 18 an angel announces, "Fallen! Fallen is Babylon the great!" A description of Babylon’s fall follows. However, the same event is described earlier in Rev. 14:8, where an angel makes exactly the same announcement. Note that both are given in the past tense: Babylon is already fallen. The first-occurring reference, in chapter 14, comes before the Plague and Bowl judgments, and we are not told how far back it refers, only that it is already accomplished. Thus, the placement of the narrative describing Babylon’s fall, coming after the judgments, is not indicative of its actual occurrence in time. Indeed, the Bible does not seem to place it in time at all, beyond a general indication that it occurs as part of the end-times.

(2) Lack of Reference to the Judgments
Nowhere in chapters 17-18 is there anything that suggests that any of the judgments have already occurred. However, the severity and omnipresence of many of those judgments, had they already happened, would be highly likely to cause them to be noticeable within the narrative. Instead, we see ships still at sea and the destruction of a booming trade in every conceivable commodity; moreover, immediately prior to its destruction Babylon is described as still being the epitome of luxury, which would be impossible after the judgments.


2. SYMBOLIC "BABYLON’S" DESCRIPTION FITS ONLY NEW YORK CITY

(1) "Babylon" Is Surely Symbolic
The Babylon we see destroyed in Ch. 18 is a world-leading city near an ocean (vv. 17-19), which could not fit the original Babylon in modern times. Moreover, the author finds it necessary to identify which city (17:18: "…the great city that rules…"), which would be pointless if the actual Babylon were intended.

(2) The Specific Political Description Fits Only New York City
In 17:18 we are told, "The woman you saw is the great city that rules over the kings of the earth." This is a political description: Kings are the rulers of countries, and the only entity that even purports to rule over them is the United Nations, which is based in New York City.

(3) The Specific Economic Description Fits Only New York City
The extensive economic description in 18:11-24 fits only New York. It is the financial center of the world, housing Wall Street (NYSE, ASE, NASDAQ), and the US Dollar it controls commands the utmost respect worldwide. Thus, it rules over the merchants of the earth, who control the kings.


3. THE DESTRUCTION DESCRIBED AGREES

(1) The Timing Agrees
Three times in Chapter 18, in verses 10, 17, and 19, the destruction is described as having occurred in one hour. Note that the destruction took some time to occur: it was not instantaneous, for the text does not say "Your doom has come in an instant (or moment)." The two New York attacks came within one hour of each other (actually eighteen minutes apart; "minutes" were not used in Biblical times).

(2) The Method Agrees
The Bible specifies fire and overwhelming smoke (18:18), which certainly describes what occurred in New York.

(3) The Target Agrees
The target was the World Trade Center, the most visible New York symbol of international commerce. The entire last half of chapter eighteen describes the "merchants of the earth" and the economic devastation.


4. WHAT IT ALL MEANS
The 28 judgments described in Revelation 6-16 have a specific purpose: to warn people that this is their last chance to turn to God before the end. Many will finally do so. That is the context in which the destruction of "Babylon" occurs.

God’s people rejected Him, and Babylon was the agent God used when He finally expelled Judah from the Promised Land. As such, Babylon represents their rejection of Him. People continue to reject Him today. Instead of trusting Him, they put their trust in man-made hopes: "world peace" and "personal wealth." New York represents both. The United Nations is the most visible symbol of man’s attempt to achieve peace, and Wall Street is the corresponding symbol for achieving material wealth and comfort.

Man has been striving to save himself, rather than permitting God to save him, since the Garden. God allowed that striving for a time, but now He has signalled that that time is over. He demonstrated in one hour that those who trust in man’s peace and wealth are without hope. He will follow with 28 more judgments, increasingly severe.

Heed the warning. God sent His Son to save us. You cannot save yourself--instead, you must trust Him. If you seek Him earnestly, He will find you.


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To: Hebrews 11:6
Here is one explaination of how New York is not Revelations 17 and 18...

http://www.endtime.com/html/revelation.htm

41 posted on 09/15/2001 12:51:25 PM PDT by The Bard
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To: Hebrews 11:6
Did you read Rev. 17&18? You need to take it a little more seriously.(not meant as a flame)

Amos 5:18-20
18 Woe unto you that desire the day of the LORD! to what end is it for you? the day of the LORD is darkness, and not light.
19 As if a man did flee from a lion, and a bear met him; or went into the house, and leaned his hand on the wall, and a serpent bit him.
20 Shall not the day of the LORD be darkness, and not light? even very dark, and no brightness in it?

42 posted on 09/15/2001 12:52:34 PM PDT by the-ironically-named-proverbs2
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To: ConsistentLibertarian
He's right the CD takes an average of the sounds available and actually filters out some of the barely detectable but richening sounds . LP's play everything, I just recently reserrected (no pun intended) my old turntable and played some of my 60's albums for the first time since the early 70's. It was quite a party. Only thing missing was the bong I grew out of in the late 70's
43 posted on 09/15/2001 12:53:52 PM PDT by clamper1797
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To: clamper1797
But I hate it when he's right ... ;-)
44 posted on 09/15/2001 12:55:33 PM PDT by ConsistentLibertarian
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To: Gil4
I clicked on his name as soon as I read his idiot words, and when I saw that he had just registered today I knew he was already on his way out. I hope he's reading all this. Not being to respond, is punishment in itself. HeeHee!
45 posted on 09/15/2001 12:55:57 PM PDT by Exit148
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To: Comment
"America is NOT in Prophecy!"

The 'gates' of Hades shall NOT prevail............!
Not to Worry.......go to 'Pro-Active' Prayer!

46 posted on 09/15/2001 12:56:34 PM PDT by maestro
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To: Exit148
... clicked on his name as soon as I read his idiot words, and when I saw that he had just registered today I knew he was already on his way out. I hope he's reading all this. Not being to respond, is punishment in itself. HeeHee!

This would be easy to solve (temporarily at least) by not allowing posts from anyone in their first 30 days after registration.
47 posted on 09/15/2001 1:01:14 PM PDT by balrog666
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To: JPR_Boise_ID
I feel your pain. Hey if you want to share, I'm here for you.
Group hug
48 posted on 09/15/2001 1:06:31 PM PDT by Valin
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To: JPR_Boise_ID
You missed H. Kissinger as the anti-christ
49 posted on 09/15/2001 1:08:17 PM PDT by Valin
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To: Valin
My list was just the "start of Armegeddon" predictions ... if you want to get into the "clearly identified as the Anti-Christ" revelations the list would be about 100 times as big, LOL.
50 posted on 09/15/2001 1:13:18 PM PDT by JPR_Boise_ID
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To: Hebrews 11:6
There's more bunkum here than I wish to shoot at. Let me just suggest to anyone who reads this that Revelation says specifically two things about the "Babylon" mentioned here. One is that it is "on seven hills." Another is that it represented the city in John's day "that rules over the nations of the earth."

Clearly it was talking of secular Rome.

However, let everyone read and make up his/her own mind.

51 posted on 09/15/2001 1:17:37 PM PDT by xzins
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To: Hebrews 11:6, 2sheep, Truebeliever9
It's best just to post the chapter and people can discover the parallels for themselves. Most won't. God promised to bring down the high places. Using our enemies, he did. There was nothing more literal and symbolic than the WTC towers being turned into ash and dust.

I had trouble grasping the magnitude and scale of these buildings, until I remembered the view of the airport from the Rock of Gibraltar. Looking down, the planes seem like small toys. Yet I still underestimated the height of the WTC towers. It turns out, that the towers were almost as high as the Rock itself (1360+ ft. vs. 1380 ft).


52 posted on 09/15/2001 1:21:39 PM PDT by Thinkin' Gal
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To: Hebrews 11:6
Sorry, I disagree. Babylon generally is in reference to...you guessed it..BABYLON! Iran, specifically Bhagdah sits there and Saddam has been trying to rebuild BABYLON!

the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies. (could very well mean OIL, not to mention other items like gold and ivory.

12 The merchandise of gold, and silver, and precious stones, and of pearls, and fine linen, and purple, and silk, and scarlet, and all thyine wood, and all manner vessels of ivory, and all manner vessels of most precious wood, and of brass, and iron, and marble, (fine linen?, silk? ivory?, we don't export much of these)

13 And cinnamon, and odours, and ointments, and frankincense, and wine, and oil, and fine flour, and wheat, and beasts, and sheep, and horses, and chariots, and slaves, and souls of men. (frankincense, oil [some bibles say OLIVE OIL]. We don't export much of that either!)

I think it is judt the opposite of what you post. Then moving on:

4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues. (G-d is calling the decent souls to leave before we retaliate, jmo)

6 Reward her even as she rewarded you, and double unto her double according to her works: in the cup which she hath filled fill to her double. (Rather obvious, pay her back in spades)

As for the seaport....There is the Red Sea, Persian gulf and Mediterranean Sea. The boundaries of Iraq were probably much larger than they are now, I'll see if I can find a map more pertinent to the times. But there were many seaports in that area.

53 posted on 09/15/2001 1:33:08 PM PDT by ET(end tyranny)
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To: xzins
I had always taken it to mean Rome also, but wondered if the different trumpets could pertain to different areas, and not just Rome?
54 posted on 09/15/2001 1:37:46 PM PDT by ET(end tyranny)
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To: ConsistentLibertarian
That's a turntable, right?

Actually, it's a drum machine. And Linn made some drum machines in the 80's that were very popular. The big bass sound in rap and hip hop comes from the TR-808 drum machine, thus the808bass.

55 posted on 09/15/2001 1:46:24 PM PDT by the808bass
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To: Illbay
In saying this, of course, you disagree with Mr. Lindsey who claimed during the Gulf War that Babylon (as in Iraq) was a "real place." Hal has since "revised" that view I suspect.
56 posted on 09/15/2001 1:50:43 PM PDT by Austin Willard Wright
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To: ET(end tyranny)
I wonder when someone will try to claim that Afghanistan is Babylon. It certainly would be fun to watch the mental gymnastics that will be needed to do that.
57 posted on 09/15/2001 1:52:29 PM PDT by Austin Willard Wright
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To: Thinkin' Gal
If you're agreein' with Heb11's interpretation, you need to change your name.
58 posted on 09/15/2001 2:12:52 PM PDT by xzins
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To: ET(end tyranny)
Don't focus on the trumpets, focus on the events heralded by the trumpets. The question to me is if they're immediate or brought about over time. Question 2 is whether symbolic or actual. Since neither question is answerable, one must explore both and hold in abeyance any decisions until more information is provided.
59 posted on 09/15/2001 2:15:15 PM PDT by xzins
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To: xzins
Your brain must be somewhere where the sun doesn't shine.
60 posted on 09/15/2001 2:15:41 PM PDT by Thinkin' Gal
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