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MUSLIM STUDENT SAYS U.S. GOT WHAT IT DESERVED IN UNIV. OF HOUSTON CLASS
The Daily Cougar - University of Houston ^ | 12 September 2001 | Tom Carpenter and Icess Fernandez

Posted on 09/14/2001 2:06:55 PM PDT by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

In the wake of the most diabolical terrorist attacks in the history of the United States, UH faculty and students expressed the importance of American officials learning the identity of those responsible for the crimes. Americans themselves were urged to refrain from reacting to the tragedy with acts of bigotry and prejudice against innocent people. Sophomore university studies student Benson Samuel, a native Houstonian of Indian heritage, said he was "catching tons of s***" Tuesday because he had dark skin. "Everyone is going home because (they are) worried about their safety," Samuel said. "We're lumped into one group because we're dark-skinned with a common heritage." Samuel said he heard many students, Caucasian and black, make disparaging remarks to him as he walked past them on his way to the University Center after news of the World Trade Center and Pentagon attacks was shown on television. "Basically, I can't walk around campus and head to class because I don't feel safe," Samuel said.

Samuel was not alone in his fear. Former president of the Muslim Student Association Ismail Jafri, a senior management information systems major, said he too had been subjected to harassment and racial slurs as he walked to the UC. "I'd like to express my sincere thoughts of sorrow to the families and victims in New York and Washington," Jafri said. "Pointing fingers and harassing innocent people won't solve anything. It's wrong to take a reactionary approach." Jafri pointed out that nobody knows the identity of the attackers. "It's not confirmed. Even if (the culprits were Muslim), it doesn't matter. It's all about humanity. We should focus on the injured, not reacting to tragedy." Freshman engineering major Naziha Alcon likened the reaction on campus to the aftermath of the 1995 bombing of the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City. "I want to feel safe. It's ironic that I should be feeling for the people who were injured and killed, but I have to worry about myself," Alcon said.

A sophomore student of Iraqi descent (who agreed to speak to The Daily Cougar only on condition of anonymity) talked about an incident following a political science class where Tuesday's attacks were discussed. The student, who said both he and his parents were born in the United States, had made a statement about the U.S. government supporting the murder of thousands of Muslims, whether in Bosnia, Afghanistan or Chechnya. "I was about to get attacked by a group of white students outside my classroom. They cursed at me and told me to come and f****** speak up now, and told me to go back to throwing rocks and go home." The class's instructor, Professor Harrell Rodgers, accompanied the student from the classroom to the UC at the student's request. "I just think he made a mistake in judgment," Rodgers said of the exchange in class. "We were talking about what happened today, and he said he didn't want to be insensitive, but he held America responsible for the slaughter of Palestinians."

"He said something to the effect that he felt America was getting its due or something. At that point I told myself that was inappropriate to say at that time. I felt it wasn't a good idea for him to say that on this particular day." "When I escorted him out of the building, some students said, 'Come over here and let's talk about it,' but not in a threatening way. I think they wanted to argue the point with him," Rodgers said. "Even the Supreme Court has recognized the principle of 'fighting words,'" he said. "There are circumstances in which things are highly inflamed, and you may cause a real problem when emotions are running high. I just wanted to make sure we didn't have a problem. I don't think anybody wanted to attack him." Elaborating on the feelings he expressed in class, the student said, "Nobody cares (about the deaths of Muslims overseas). It doesn't make the news headlines, and it's a hush-hush thing. But as soon as 35,000 to 50,000 Americans die, it's a big deal."

He made it clear that if the terrorists do prove to be from the Middle East, he does not support the attack. "It's not a representation of Islam or Muslim people," he said. "At the same time, America should have seen this coming, because for many, many years they've been supporting, with American tax dollars, aid to countries which kill innocent civilians. "I think if Americans knew where their tax dollars are going, they wouldn't be as unsympathetic as they are right now. I do sympathize with the people who died, but at the same time America has to understand that they had this coming. "I do hope there are no more attacks, but I would be really amazed to find out if it was someone from the American population who was responsible for this," he said, referring to the fact that immediately after the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing, there was a lot of mistaken speculation that the culprits were Middle Eastern.

"Those same people who threatened me after class, I'd like to see the reactions on their faces (if) they find out it was one of them," he said. The UH Police Department increased its presence on campus Tuesday in the wake of the day's tension. "We have increased our patrol," said watch commander Lt. Rita Bazile. "We are more on alert." Harassment of Muslim students has not been reported, Bazile said. UH Police Chief Bob Wilson encourages any student who faces harassment, intimidation or threats to report it to his office. "We won't tolerate that for a heartbeat," Wilson said. "They (Muslims) are entitled to the same rights and privileges as you and I are as citizens and they certainly deserve our protection."

"Frankly, I'm amazed to hear about threats being made against them. If anyone receives any threats, we certainly want to hear about it," Wilson said. Karima Benremouga, director of UH's language laboratory, tried to give perspective on Tuesday's events and the reactions to them. "This is a terrible tragedy, not only for the U.S., but for the entire world. Like most Americans, and especially Arab-Americans, I am angry, sad and horrified," Benremouga said. "We try to teach understanding and respect for people of all races and religions and something horrible happens. "It is incomprehensible how any group is capable of committing such a heinous crime against what I consider the most hospitable, democratic and open country in the world. "Will our teaching withstand the message sent by such terrible terrorist attacks? Only time will tell." Kashif Mumtaz, religion advisor and spokesperson for the Muslim Students Association, and Irtiza Hasan, educational advisor and council member of the Muslim Students Association, were also upset when hearing about the events on the East Coast.

"I saw the footage and shivers went down my spine," Hasan said. "We have a sick feeling." But that feeling is only the beginning of what is anticipated to be a rough time for Muslims. Hasan recalled the aftermath of the last major terrorist attack on American soil. "We remember when Oklahoma City was bombed," said Mumtaz. "Muslims were attacked." As the sketchy details trickled in from New York and Washington, leaders of the Muslim Student Association said they have already felt stares and harassment from other students on campus. However, the MSU representatives said they understand the fears and the misconceptions of fellow students. "We can't hold people into account. It's natural. It's not right, it's wrong, but it's a human tendency," Mumtaz said. "We're American as apple pie. But when people look at us, we are 'brown guys.'"

The MSA representatives said they hope to combat negative stereotypes through education. "We want to spread awareness," said Hasan. "We want to let people know that we are against what happened."


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To: Justin Raimondo
I've had enough of your "America was asking for it" attitude. This is war, my man. You are either in or out. If you can't say something nice while the bodies are being removed from that building, shut your piehole. They'll be plenty of time later to play Monday Morning Quarterback. Now ain't the time.
21 posted on 09/14/2001 3:13:11 PM PDT by AppyPappy
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To: ConsistentLibertarian
A student can say whatever the heck they like.

I agree completely - the student is entitled to the American right of free political speech.

Too bad the do-gooders have done away with that other uniquely American method of dealing with such comments (after class, off school property & according to the rules of gentlemanly conduct, of course).

22 posted on 09/14/2001 3:15:33 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin
These people will be shut up the old fashioned way ... by knuckle sandwiches.
23 posted on 09/14/2001 3:15:37 PM PDT by aculeus
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To: ConsistentLibertarian
Anybody who has been in America a while and adheres to quaint old country views such as destroy America deserves whatever his immediate acquaintances might devise for him. If he is in amy immediate danger, call the police and they will likely treat him fairly. On the other hand, we are entitled to hate him. Tough titty if he wants to be liked. And while I am in an insulting mood, if he is of that particular cultural persuasion now that he has bad exposure to superior options he is probably an idiot anyway.
24 posted on 09/14/2001 3:28:36 PM PDT by mathurine
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To: DoughtyOne
This kid may be somewhat correct. AMERICA THE NATION (as distinct from the poor innocent individuals who died on 911) may have deserved what it got. Perhaps the strike on the WTC was in retaliation for the slaughter of American Indians, or the firebombing of Dresden, or the vaporization of Nagasaki. I doubt it, but it's true that America and Americans have done some pretty nasty things over the last centuries. Maybe we, the survivors of 911, deserve the pain and suffering we are feeling now. This does NOT mean that the slain deserved to be killed, only that our nation has done some bad things for which we might deserve punishment. All that is irrelevant now, however. If America deserved what it got, then how much more true is it that whoever did this, and whoever made it possible, also deserves what it gets? Whatever we or our ancestors have done, whoever arranged, aided, supported, or saluted the killing of innocents in the WTC deserves death and everlasting damnation. They must die, and we must kill them. Those are two separate concepts. If they somehow manage to escape us by dying before we get to them, then our mission is incomplete. We must figure out another way to punish their memories. Perhaps we will have to kill their survivors. Maybe we should turn their lands into glass. That decision, however, can wait. The first step is (as suggested all over FR) to declare WAR. If we are to do what needs to be done, let us be clear at the outset. Let us not confuse our warriors, our civilians, the rest of the world, or our children, with the possibility of uncertainty about our enemies and aims. Fifty years from now, let no one be able to say that whatever we did was hypocritical because, like terrorists, we struck without formal warning. The actions we are about to undertake will certainly include some mistakes; let there be no question that those mistakes occurred in war, and are not part of the peacetime that came before or that is to follow. Our soldiers will commit acts for which their peacetime selves would have consigned their souls to damnation. Let us agree to absolve, in advance, those men who return from battle, of at least the unavoidable atrocities of war. They might need that absolution. Declare war, then, Congress. And may God have mercy on your souls for such a declaration. And, if I may … I also ask God to have mercy on my soul for what I have just written.
25 posted on 09/14/2001 3:33:13 PM PDT by Jubal Harshaw
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin
Kick his @$$ out of school, Houston, Texas, USA, back to whatever little pigsty country he comes from.
26 posted on 09/14/2001 3:35:11 PM PDT by Marauder (smartmoutharabfanatics@buttskicked.com)
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To: DoughtyOne
This kid may be somewhat correct. AMERICA THE NATION (as distinct from the poor innocent individuals who died on 911) may have deserved what it got. Perhaps the strike on the WTC was in retaliation for the slaughter of American Indians, or the firebombing of Dresden, or the vaporization of Nagasaki. I doubt it, but it's true that America and Americans have done some pretty nasty things over the last centuries. Maybe we, the survivors of 911, deserve the pain and suffering we are feeling now. This does NOT mean that the slain deserved to be killed, only that our nation has done some bad things for which we might deserve punishment.

All that is irrelevant now, however. If America deserved what it got, then how much more true is it that whoever did this, and whoever made it possible, also deserves what it gets? Whatever we or our ancestors have done, whoever arranged, aided, supported, or saluted the killing of innocents in the WTC deserves death and everlasting damnation. They must die, and we must kill them.

Those are two separate concepts. If they somehow manage to escape us by dying before we get to them, then our mission is incomplete. We must figure out another way to punish their memories. Perhaps we will have to kill their survivors. Maybe we should turn their lands into glass. That decision, however, can wait.

The first step is (as suggested all over FR) to declare WAR. If we are to do what needs to be done, let us be clear at the outset. Let us not confuse our warriors, our civilians, the rest of the world, or our children, with the possibility of uncertainty about our enemies and aims. Fifty years from now, let no one be able to say that whatever we did was hypocritical because, like terrorists, we struck without formal warning. The actions we are about to undertake will certainly include some mistakes; let there be no question that those mistakes occurred in war, and are not part of the peacetime that came before or that is to follow. Our soldiers will commit acts for which their peacetime selves would have consigned their souls to damnation. Let us agree to absolve, in advance, those men who return from battle, of at least the unavoidable atrocities of war. They might need that absolution.

Declare war, then, Congress. And may God have mercy on your souls for such a declaration. And, if I may … I also ask God to have mercy on my soul for what I have just written.

27 posted on 09/14/2001 3:35:53 PM PDT by Jubal Harshaw
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To: mathurine
You must be angry. Your post is incoherent.
28 posted on 09/14/2001 3:37:22 PM PDT by ConsistentLibertarian
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To: Marauder
He's from the US. Born and raised here. A citizen. Same goes for both his parents.
29 posted on 09/14/2001 3:38:18 PM PDT by ConsistentLibertarian
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin
Well I guess the handwriting is on the wall!!
30 posted on 09/14/2001 3:44:52 PM PDT by timestax
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To: ConsistentLibertarian
You're right, let him say what he wants. But, he'll have to deal with the consequences of what he says. In a free society that may hurt.
31 posted on 09/14/2001 3:49:07 PM PDT by monkeywrench
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To: timestax
UPDATE: The Houston Chronicle has reported that an unconscious "muslim student" was found in a Motel 66 room laying on a bed of ice in the bath-tub. While being transported by ambulance, he awoke and complained of stomach pains. The EMTS raised his shirt and found a surgically stitched wound. His kidney had been harvested for transplanting!!!
32 posted on 09/14/2001 3:51:31 PM PDT by parsifal
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To: parsifal
Yeah but he had an assload of Gap gift certificates from forwarding emails.
33 posted on 09/14/2001 4:01:04 PM PDT by AppyPappy
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To: Jubal Harshaw
For all that we do that is wrong, we also do a great many things that are right.  For all the talk of the US hating the Palestinians, it is my understanding that they do normally receive aide from us.  Right now, if a terrible natural disaster happened in Palestine, who would be the first group of people there to help out?

We have come to the aid of many nations across the planet.  We deliver more relieve and charity funding around the world than any other nation on earth.  I would venture to say to we probably donate four times the nearst other nation.

Should we be taken down a notch or two.  We are all the time.  Natural disasters wreak havoc on our nation.  We always bounce back and hardly every receive help from the outside.

I can't tell you what my fellow citizens think, but I want peace, prosperity and happiness for all people.  And I'm not even running for Miss America.  Grin.

I don't think the US deserves anything like what received.

The very nation that is harboring the man who masterminded this incident at the WTC, is the nation we aided for seven or more years as they held off the Russians.  Now we're their mortal enemy.  Or at least they don't mind harboring someone who is.

Nope!  We've done wrong.  We've also done a ton of right!  If this nation were ever destroyed, the very nations that would have destroyed us would immediately feel the pain of our absense.

34 posted on 09/14/2001 4:01:32 PM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin
Human life means NOTHING to those Islamics and Arabs. They could just slice up a person and kill him/her/baby/mother,etc. and feel good about it.

My point=they don't revere life like other people do.

35 posted on 09/14/2001 4:06:38 PM PDT by timestax
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To: timestax
Oh , and they are ANIMALS !!
36 posted on 09/14/2001 4:07:07 PM PDT by timestax
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin
This is the weak resolution the Senate is working on. Compare it to a real declaration of war from 1941

SJ 22 ES

107th CONGRESS

1st Session

S. J. RES. 22


JOINT RESOLUTION

Expressing the sense of the Senate and House of Representatives regarding the terrorist attacks launched against the United States on September 11, 2001.

Whereas on September 11, 2001, terrorists hijacked and destroyed four civilian aircraft, crashing two of them into the towers of the World Trade Center in New York City, and a third into the Pentagon outside Washington, D.C.;

Whereas thousands of innocent Americans were killed and injured as a result of these attacks, including the passengers and crew of the four aircraft, workers in the World Trade Center and in the Pentagon, rescue workers, and bystanders;

Whereas these attacks destroyed both towers of the World Trade Center, as well as adjacent buildings, and seriously damaged the Pentagon; and

Whereas these attacks were by far the deadliest terrorist attacks ever launched against the United States, and, by targeting symbols of American strength and success, clearly were intended to intimidate our Nation and weaken its resolve: Now, therefore, be it

Passed the Senate September 12, 2001.

Compare that wimpy drivel to this:

JOINT RESOLUTION

Declaring that a state of war exists between the Imperial Government of Japan and the Government and the people of the United States and making provisions to prosecute the same.

Whereas the Imperial Government of Japan has committed unprovoked acts of war against the Government and the people of the United States of America:

Therefore be it Resolved by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled, That the state of war between the United States and the Imperial Government of Japan which has thus been thrust upon the United States is hereby formally declared;

and the President is hereby authorized and directed to employ the entire naval and military forces of the United States and the resources of the Government to carry on war against the Imperial Government of Japan; and, to bring the conflict to a successful termination, all of the resources of the country are hereby pledged by the Congress of the United States.

Approved, December 8, 1941, 4:10 p.m. E.S.T.

Apparently there is some major funny business going on in the Senate, even in this time of "bi-partisanship".

I am disgusted.

Please US House save us from this insult to all who have died.

37 posted on 09/14/2001 4:08:33 PM PDT by Rome2000
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin
He's wrong. I hate what he says. I'd like to kick his a$$ but he has the right to say it. That's, in part, what this fight is all about. We don't have Imams and Mullahs telling us what to think and what we can say

He's still a jerk

38 posted on 09/14/2001 4:12:52 PM PDT by muir_redwoods
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To: skeeter
Too bad the do-gooders have done away with that other uniquely American method of dealing with such comments (after class, off school property & according to the rules of gentlemanly conduct, of course). Things haven't changed that much, and this guy is going to find out the price of free speach.
39 posted on 09/14/2001 4:18:04 PM PDT by caltaxed
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin
I wonder what this terrorist will be saying in the Houston Class when his buddies get the hell bombed out of them? I am telling him now, "they got what they deserved".
40 posted on 09/14/2001 4:22:10 PM PDT by Texbob
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