MUSLIM STUDENT SAYS U.S. GOT WHAT IT DESERVED IN UNIV. OF HOUSTON CLASS

The Daily Cougar - University of Houston ^ | 12 September 2001 | Tom Carpenter and Icess Fernandez

[AppyPappy]

I've had enough of your "America was asking for it" attitude. This is war, my man. You are either in or out. If you can't say something nice while the bodies are being removed from that building, shut your piehole. They'll be plenty of time later to play Monday Morning Quarterback. Now ain't the time.

[skeeter]

A student can say whatever the heck they like.

I agree completely - the student is entitled to the American right of free political speech.

Too bad the do-gooders have done away with that other uniquely American method of dealing with such comments (after class, off school property & according to the rules of gentlemanly conduct, of course).

[aculeus]

These people will be shut up the old fashioned way ... by knuckle sandwiches.

[mathurine]

Anybody who has been in America a while and adheres to quaint old country views such as destroy America deserves whatever his immediate acquaintances might devise for him. If he is in amy immediate danger, call the police and they will likely treat him fairly. On the other hand, we are entitled to hate him. Tough titty if he wants to be liked. And while I am in an insulting mood, if he is of that particular cultural persuasion now that he has bad exposure to superior options he is probably an idiot anyway.

[Jubal Harshaw]

This kid may be somewhat correct. AMERICA THE NATION (as distinct from the poor innocent individuals who died on 911) may have deserved what it got. Perhaps the strike on the WTC was in retaliation for the slaughter of American Indians, or the firebombing of Dresden, or the vaporization of Nagasaki. I doubt it, but it's true that America and Americans have done some pretty nasty things over the last centuries. Maybe we, the survivors of 911, deserve the pain and suffering we are feeling now. This does NOT mean that the slain deserved to be killed, only that our nation has done some bad things for which we might deserve punishment. All that is irrelevant now, however. If America deserved what it got, then how much more true is it that whoever did this, and whoever made it possible, also deserves what it gets? Whatever we or our ancestors have done, whoever arranged, aided, supported, or saluted the killing of innocents in the WTC deserves death and everlasting damnation. They must die, and we must kill them. Those are two separate concepts. If they somehow manage to escape us by dying before we get to them, then our mission is incomplete. We must figure out another way to punish their memories. Perhaps we will have to kill their survivors. Maybe we should turn their lands into glass. That decision, however, can wait. The first step is (as suggested all over FR) to declare WAR. If we are to do what needs to be done, let us be clear at the outset. Let us not confuse our warriors, our civilians, the rest of the world, or our children, with the possibility of uncertainty about our enemies and aims. Fifty years from now, let no one be able to say that whatever we did was hypocritical because, like terrorists, we struck without formal warning. The actions we are about to undertake will certainly include some mistakes; let there be no question that those mistakes occurred in war, and are not part of the peacetime that came before or that is to follow. Our soldiers will commit acts for which their peacetime selves would have consigned their souls to damnation. Let us agree to absolve, in advance, those men who return from battle, of at least the unavoidable atrocities of war. They might need that absolution. Declare war, then, Congress. And may God have mercy on your souls for such a declaration. And, if I may … I also ask God to have mercy on my soul for what I have just written.

[Marauder]

Kick his @$$ out of school, Houston, Texas, USA, back to whatever little pigsty country he comes from.

[Jubal Harshaw]

This kid may be somewhat correct. AMERICA THE NATION (as distinct from the poor innocent individuals who died on 911) may have deserved what it got. Perhaps the strike on the WTC was in retaliation for the slaughter of American Indians, or the firebombing of Dresden, or the vaporization of Nagasaki. I doubt it, but it's true that America and Americans have done some pretty nasty things over the last centuries. Maybe we, the survivors of 911, deserve the pain and suffering we are feeling now. This does NOT mean that the slain deserved to be killed, only that our nation has done some bad things for which we might deserve punishment.

All that is irrelevant now, however. If America deserved what it got, then how much more true is it that whoever did this, and whoever made it possible, also deserves what it gets? Whatever we or our ancestors have done, whoever arranged, aided, supported, or saluted the killing of innocents in the WTC deserves death and everlasting damnation. They must die, and we must kill them.

Those are two separate concepts. If they somehow manage to escape us by dying before we get to them, then our mission is incomplete. We must figure out another way to punish their memories. Perhaps we will have to kill their survivors. Maybe we should turn their lands into glass. That decision, however, can wait.

The first step is (as suggested all over FR) to declare WAR. If we are to do what needs to be done, let us be clear at the outset. Let us not confuse our warriors, our civilians, the rest of the world, or our children, with the possibility of uncertainty about our enemies and aims. Fifty years from now, let no one be able to say that whatever we did was hypocritical because, like terrorists, we struck without formal warning. The actions we are about to undertake will certainly include some mistakes; let there be no question that those mistakes occurred in war, and are not part of the peacetime that came before or that is to follow. Our soldiers will commit acts for which their peacetime selves would have consigned their souls to damnation. Let us agree to absolve, in advance, those men who return from battle, of at least the unavoidable atrocities of war. They might need that absolution.

Declare war, then, Congress. And may God have mercy on your souls for such a declaration. And, if I may … I also ask God to have mercy on my soul for what I have just written.

[ConsistentLibertarian]

You must be angry. Your post is incoherent.

[ConsistentLibertarian]

He's from the US. Born and raised here. A citizen. Same goes for both his parents.

[timestax]

Well I guess the handwriting is on the wall!!

[monkeywrench]

You're right, let him say what he wants. But, he'll have to deal with the consequences of what he says. In a free society that may hurt.

[parsifal]

UPDATE: The Houston Chronicle has reported that an unconscious "muslim student" was found in a Motel 66 room laying on a bed of ice in the bath-tub. While being transported by ambulance, he awoke and complained of stomach pains. The EMTS raised his shirt and found a surgically stitched wound. His kidney had been harvested for transplanting!!!

[AppyPappy]

Yeah but he had an assload of Gap gift certificates from forwarding emails.

[DoughtyOne]

For all that we do that is wrong, we also do a great many things that are right.  For all the talk of the US hating the Palestinians, it is my understanding that they do normally receive aide from us.  Right now, if a terrible natural disaster happened in Palestine, who would be the first group of people there to help out?

We have come to the aid of many nations across the planet.  We deliver more relieve and charity funding around the world than any other nation on earth.  I would venture to say to we probably donate four times the nearst other nation.

Should we be taken down a notch or two.  We are all the time.  Natural disasters wreak havoc on our nation.  We always bounce back and hardly every receive help from the outside.

I can't tell you what my fellow citizens think, but I want peace, prosperity and happiness for all people.  And I'm not even running for Miss America.  Grin.

I don't think the US deserves anything like what received.

The very nation that is harboring the man who masterminded this incident at the WTC, is the nation we aided for seven or more years as they held off the Russians.  Now we're their mortal enemy.  Or at least they don't mind harboring someone who is.

Nope!  We've done wrong.  We've also done a ton of right!  If this nation were ever destroyed, the very nations that would have destroyed us would immediately feel the pain of our absense.

[timestax]

Human life means NOTHING to those Islamics and Arabs. They could just slice up a person and kill him/her/baby/mother,etc. and feel good about it.

My point=they don't revere life like other people do.

[timestax]

Oh , and they are ANIMALS !!

[Rome2000]

This is the weak resolution the Senate is working on. Compare it to a real declaration of war from 1941

SJ 22 ES

107th CONGRESS

1st Session

S. J. RES. 22

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JOINT RESOLUTION

Expressing the sense of the Senate and House of Representatives regarding the terrorist attacks launched against the United States on September 11, 2001.

Whereas on September 11, 2001, terrorists hijacked and destroyed four civilian aircraft, crashing two of them into the towers of the World Trade Center in New York City, and a third into the Pentagon outside Washington, D.C.;

Whereas thousands of innocent Americans were killed and injured as a result of these attacks, including the passengers and crew of the four aircraft, workers in the World Trade Center and in the Pentagon, rescue workers, and bystanders;

Whereas these attacks destroyed both towers of the World Trade Center, as well as adjacent buildings, and seriously damaged the Pentagon; and

Whereas these attacks were by far the deadliest terrorist attacks ever launched against the United States, and, by targeting symbols of American strength and success, clearly were intended to intimidate our Nation and weaken its resolve: Now, therefore, be it

Resolved by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled, That Congress--

(1) condemns in the strongest possible terms the terrorists who planned and carried out the September 11, 2001, attacks against the United States, as well as their sponsors;

(2) extends its deepest condolences to the victims of these heinous and cowardly attacks, as well as to their families, friends, and loved ones;

(3) is certain that the people of the United States will stand united as our Nation begins the process of recovering and rebuilding in the aftermath of these tragic acts;

(4) commends the heroic actions of the rescue workers, volunteers, and State and local officials who responded to these tragic events with courage, determination, and skill;

(5) declares that these premeditated attacks struck not only at the people of America, but also at the symbols and structures of our economic and military strength, and that the United States is entitled to respond under international law;

(6) thanks those foreign leaders and individuals who have expressed solidarity with the United States in the aftermath of the attacks, and asks them to continue to stand with the United States in the war against international terrorism;

(7) commits to support increased resources in the war to eradicate terrorism;

(8) supports the determination of the President, in close consultation with Congress, to bring to justice and punish the perpetrators of these attacks as well as their sponsors; and

(9) declares that September 12, 2001, shall be a National Day of Unity and Mourning, and that when Congress adjourns today, it stands adjourned out of respect to the victims of the terrorist attacks.

Passed the Senate September 12, 2001.

Compare that wimpy drivel to this:

JOINT RESOLUTION

Declaring that a state of war exists between the Imperial Government of Japan and the Government and the people of the United States and making provisions to prosecute the same.

Whereas the Imperial Government of Japan has committed unprovoked acts of war against the Government and the people of the United States of America:

Therefore be it Resolved by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled, That the state of war between the United States and the Imperial Government of Japan which has thus been thrust upon the United States is hereby formally declared;

and the President is hereby authorized and directed to employ the entire naval and military forces of the United States and the resources of the Government to carry on war against the Imperial Government of Japan; and, to bring the conflict to a successful termination, all of the resources of the country are hereby pledged by the Congress of the United States.

Approved, December 8, 1941, 4:10 p.m. E.S.T.

Apparently there is some major funny business going on in the Senate, even in this time of "bi-partisanship".

I am disgusted.

Please US House save us from this insult to all who have died.

[muir_redwoods]

He's wrong. I hate what he says. I'd like to kick his a$$ but he has the right to say it. That's, in part, what this fight is all about. We don't have Imams and Mullahs telling us what to think and what we can say

He's still a jerk

[caltaxed]

Too bad the do-gooders have done away with that other uniquely American method of dealing with such comments (after class, off school property & according to the rules of gentlemanly conduct, of course). Things haven't changed that much, and this guy is going to find out the price of free speach.

[Texbob]

I wonder what this terrorist will be saying in the Houston Class when his buddies get the hell bombed out of them? I am telling him now, "they got what they deserved".