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'Torricelli Principle' ties CIA agents' hands
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| 9/13/01
| Paul Mulshine
Posted on 09/13/2001 3:09:04 PM PDT by Liz
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posted on
09/13/2001 3:09:04 PM PDT
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Liz
To: *mano*
Further to my conversation w/ D re: cuffed agencies and kangaroo courts.
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posted on
09/13/2001 3:14:38 PM PDT
by
Askel5
To: Liz
Yeah, those will be great sources. S***bird bastard terrorist scum who are looking for a dime from Uncle Sam. I'm sure they'll only provide us with top-quality, grade-A intelligence. As with criminal informants, the paid ones quite often just take law enforcement for a ride, saying what their paymasters want to hear. Then, to add insult to injury, your tax dollars are in the hands of some terrorist a-hole who will use them to buy ammo or something else. Conspiracy theory aside, this just sounds like a stupid idea.
To: patlaw_guy
We need to be able to turn bad guys to be able to find out what's going on inside terrorist groups and criminal organizations to save lives. The Bob Torricelli principle is mindlessly stupid. It has sacrificed live breathing people for the sake of an abstract principle. I'm sure Sen. Torricelli will take a moment to explain why we couldn't recruit people inside the terrorist group that took down the WTC which would have a saved a lot of innocent people. He should try explaining all this moral hairsplitting to the victims families. We need info to stop terrorist attacks any way we can get it.
To: Liz
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posted on
09/13/2001 3:27:38 PM PDT
by
Ditto
To: Ditto
Do you have any idea of all else that has gone in Guatemala and the rest of Central America-not to mention Chile and Argentina?
To: ELS, Black Agnes, teacup, Exit148
Ping
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posted on
09/13/2001 3:46:42 PM PDT
by
StarFan
To: Liz
I guess that was when Bob was sleeping with Bianca Jager.
To: Liz
I thought this thread had to do with barometers before I read it; you know, the "Torricelli Principle" discovered by Evangelista Torricelli, 1608-1647 who invented the mercury barometer and the mercury-powered vacuum pump to evacuate the device.
To: StarFan
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posted on
09/13/2001 4:12:15 PM PDT
by
ELS
To: Liz
Clinton/Torrecelli.
It's going to take us years to recover from their handy work let alone terrorists.
To: patlaw_guy
Everything you said is true, and is known by those who run spy agencies. And none of it changes the fact that the only way to get human intel on these guys is to employ those kind of scumbags. It's up to the people who analize the data they get from them to determine what's real and what's bogus.
Take Aldrich Aimes; a total scumbag traitor, and also a gold mine for the Russians. Too bad the KGB didn't share your opinion.
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posted on
09/13/2001 4:18:52 PM PDT
by
Hugin
To: Hugin
Your point is well taken, especially with regard to Ames. I just have concerns about the quality of intel you get from these guys, particularly when the agent running that informant isn't alert to the fact that the informant could just be stringing him along.
Actually, the complete failure of Echelon to detect any preparation for this attack does point to a massive overreliance on and overinvestment in SIGINT and a massive failure of HUMINT.
To: Liz
This article doesn't point out that a fairly large number of good CIA officers, some quite senior, lost their employment as a result of Deutch's politically correct reforms. The very strong message Deutch sent out was that he wanted no "embarrassments" during Clinton's watch. Deutch also insisted that the CIA start promoting females and so today the CIA has senior management female officers, most of whom have never worked an operational assignment in their lives. Deutch, in my opinion, was either purposely out to destroy the CIA or was just unbelievably stupid... and since nobody can be that stupid I have to believe he was purposely destroying the CIA on Clinton's orders. Our national security is too important to use the Intel Community and our armed forces as laboratories for social experiments... yet this is what the Clintonistas did for 8 years, along with cutting the budget. The Clintonistas got all the information they wanted in mainstream media and spent their time making money, not in assuring our nation's safety. The Clinton buzzards have come home to roost in this terrorist attack. I pray there will be no more, for we are certainly weak when it comes to the organizations which have protected the United States in the past.
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posted on
09/13/2001 4:27:10 PM PDT
by
waxhaw
To: patlaw_guy
How far is your head up your ass. Grow up.
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posted on
09/13/2001 4:42:46 PM PDT
by
kempo
To: ELS
Wouldn't you like to see a reporter shove a mike in front of Clinton and ask him about it?
To: Liz
I don't think that's a line we want to cross. A quick review of the cases the FBI prosecuted during the civil rights movement shows what dangerous ground that is. Most of the time the FBI was getting information after the fact, not soon enough to stop it, but enough to get convictions. Often that information came from informants "at the scene". In other words these were people that were already feeding the FBI info, but they still went along with their racist budies to commit the crime. Because they were informants they weren't prosecuted, often the FBI went out of their way to "prove" that their informant was there but did not "participate". Getting a group of "our scumbags" just is not the right answer. We don't need the return of "Iranian moderates". We need to get more intel and these guys, but there are lines we shouldn't cross. Paying the participants is very high on that list.
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posted on
09/13/2001 5:05:46 PM PDT
by
discostu
To: Liz
The so-called "Torricelli Principle" was implemented by John Deutch, then the CIA director, after Torricelli got involved with a conspiracy theory regarding the CIA's activities in Guatemala. Wasn't that during the time 'the Torch' was lip locking Bianca Jagger? I guess he just want to impress his girlfriend. What a twit!!
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posted on
09/13/2001 5:13:05 PM PDT
by
SuziQ
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