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To: Woodkirk
Any religion that teaches its people to kill Jews and Christians in order to guarantee a place in paradise should be outlawed.

It doesn't. That is only made up and taught to naive bumpkins. Kiling innocents is punishable with eternal damnation in the Quoran.

8 posted on 09/13/2001 8:22:15 AM PDT by AppyPappy
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To: AppyPappy
I'm a little tired, frankly, of being told that 'Islam is a religion of peace'. Islam is a blot on humanity, and has been for 1500 years. Its entire history has been one of Jihad against the infidel. Just look at the trouble spots around the world today, and count up how many involve Muslims who simply can't live with their non-Muslim neighbors.

This is an analysis of what Islam says about the killing of innocents. It's a translation which appeared in the Jerusalem Post, of an article which appeared in a Kuwaiti newspaper on August 31. (note, note Iraq, not Afghanistan, Kuwait, a so called 'moderate' state). I'm sure the antisemites among you will discount it immediately, for that reason. But I would recommend everyone read the fourth and third to last paragraphs, written before Monday's events, and clearly an apologia for them. And note that if you pay taxes to a state they don't like, that alone is enough to classify you as a combatant in their eyes.

Oh, and triple barf alert, BTW

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WHAT THE PAPERS SAY: Is killing Jewish women and children forbidden?

Translated From The Arabic By Shira Gutgold

(September 9) (Al-Watan, Kuwait, August 31)

Religious scholars do not dispute that Islamic law fundamentally forbids the killing of women and children in Jihad [holy war], and the evidence for it is in the Hadith [prophetic tradition] of Ibn-Umar [Vol. 4, Book 52, No. 257]: "A slain woman was found during one of the Prophet's military campaigns, and following this the prophet forbade the killing of women and children."

The scholars have also found evidence for the prohibition of killing those who are not involved in warfare in the Prophet's message to Khaled Ben-Al-Walid telling him that they shall not kill a woman or a non-fighting laborer. There are also other sources for the prohibition of killing civilians.

The scholars have excluded two cases in which the killing of civilians and women is permitted.

The first one is when they take part in the fighting, or if they witness it or are involved in complementary activities such as giving council or propagandizing. The scholars base their decision on the words of the Prophet who, when seeing the slain woman said: "She was not capable of fighting," meaning that had she been fighting, it would have been permitted to kill her.

It should be noted that in the modern age, when an army is engaged in war, non-fighters join it who are involved in complementary activities and, at times, the course of war depends mainly on them. These are, for example, activators of the army's computer systems that direct military activities, such as civilian-manufactured computer systems for directing missiles or sophisticated bombs.

They also include those who work for agencies that carry out military projects; the reserve forces responsible for summoning soldiers and preparing them for fighting, even administratively; intelligence people, and so forth.

All those mentioned fall under the category of those who fight the Muslims and therefore can be targeted and killed in war, especially on occupied Muslim lands such as Palestine.

It also ought to be noted that all Jewish women in the Zionist entity are fighters, since they are also required to serve in the army. It is common knowledge that the Zionist society is a military society, and every one of them takes part in warfare, whether as a soldier in the army, as a reservist, by paying taxes to the Jewish state and its army which kills Muslims, or by voting to put [Prime Minister Ariel] Sharon in a position to give the orders to kill [Mohammed] Al-Dura [the child killed in his father's arms in Gaza last September] and other Palestinian children.

The second case when the killing of civilians and women is permitted is when Muslims must launch a comprehensive attack against their enemies or shoot them from afar. If civilians, women or children are to be killed in such attacks - although they must not be deliberately targeted - there is no blame on those who kill them, as these things happen in wars when bombs are fired at military posts situated between residential buildings, especially when these are the posts of the occupying army situated on Muslim lands. In such incidents civilians, women, and children are unintentionally killed, but Muslims get killed as well.

Among these attacks are the martyrdom attacks that aim to kill the occupiers in order to strike terror in their hearts and force them to end their occupation and withdraw from the country of the Muslims. In these attacks some women and children are unintentionally killed, of course, but this is with full right. Places that are designated for children and frequented only by them are not to be targeted.

The prophet has shot at the people of Taif with a catapult during his siege to their town when there were women and children inside. Had he forbidden his warriors to attack them or shoot at any place where there were people who were not fighters, it would have led to the paralyzing of Jihad for the sake of Allah.

It is impossible to avoid killing civilians in a war, especially in the kind of fighting taking place in Palestine where settlements and occupied lands are side by side with Muslim areas, and therefore it suffices that they should not be intentionally targeted.

Piece of excrement ends

26 posted on 09/13/2001 8:45:00 AM PDT by Right Wing Professor
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To: AppyPappy
"Kiling innocents is punishable with eternal damnation in the Quoran."

Funny, I thought killing innocents promised them 500 virgins in the after life, silly me.
35 posted on 09/13/2001 9:09:46 AM PDT by Michael2001
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To: AppyPappy
Such comments are the result of 50 years of leadership and indoctrination by the gelded socialist sociologists.

When confronted with wild dogs and savages, the gelded socialist sociologists teach that it is best to put up a big fence, hide your belongings, cover your eyes, and try to understand them.

The islamic nations must go the way of Troy, Carthage, and Azteca.

Do not be a seditious apologist for terrorists.

36 posted on 09/13/2001 9:13:11 AM PDT by MrBambaLaMamba (cavaliers@dare_to_speak.com)
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To: AppyPappy
"Kiling innocents is punishable with eternal damnation in the Quoran."

Unless of course it's a "jihad," eh? Then it's all OK?
Next you'll have us believe it's only our imagination that the terrorists responsible are Islamic fundamentalists?
And old Sheik Ali bin Sumpin in federal prison for bombing the World Trade Center 8 years ago was only impersonating an Arab cleric?
Hmmm?

79 posted on 09/13/2001 11:35:27 AM PDT by Redbob
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To: AppyPappy
You might want to read it before you tell us what it says. Jihad is encouraged. War is encouraged. Religious persecution is encouraged. Hatred against Jews/Christians is encouraged. Friendship with the same is forbidden, unless they convert.

Check out one of the searchable versions.

koran

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Try 5.51, 98.6, 8.38-39, 8.65, 47.4 That should get you started.

80 posted on 09/13/2001 11:36:44 AM PDT by watchin
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To: AppyPappy
Sure punishing innocents is punishable by eternal damnation in the Quoron.

Now, tell me how they define "innocent" in there. I'm sure it doesn't include Christians or Jews or anyone who isn't Muslim.

110 posted on 09/14/2001 8:34:40 AM PDT by Styria
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