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I Urge An End To Calls For Retaliation Against "Islam"
Self | September 11, 2001 | Self

Posted on 09/11/2001 4:07:58 PM PDT by Illbay

Just above the text box into which I'm typing, it says, and I quote, "NO racist or violence posts."

Ladies and Gentlemen, FReepers of every race, CREED and color, I urge an immediate moratorium on the nauseatingly bigoted comments directed against "Islam," or "Muslims," or any negative reference to anyone strictly because of his or her religion. FR is no place for this trash, and I'd like to publicly call on the Esteemed Moderators to hunt down and erase all such tripe from FR.


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To: Illbay
Sudan Persecution

"What we saw and heard and touched is the material for nightmares, a human hell," reported an American Episcopal priest returning from a January 1998 trip to Sudan.

The country of Sudan, already enduring seemingly endless civil war, is being devastated by a jihad led by the militant Islamic regime in Khartoum. Their tactics include aerial bombardment of citizens, scorched earth and destruction of livestock, forced displacement of over three million people, abduction, imprisonment, torture, execution of men, abduction and enslavement of women and children, and forced Islamization and conscription. The government justifies its reign of terror and Sudan persecution by claiming that it is a "divine mission" in the name of Allah.

By their own admission, militant Muslims see Sudan persecution as only the first step in an attempt to impose their brand of radical Islam all the way to the Cape of Good Hope in South Africa.


Albania girl pays for her faith with her life

As she began studying God's Word last year, Zana Gjoni, a young Albanian girl, appealed to her Muslim friends and neighbors to commit their lives to God. She began a letter with Peter's words in Acts 3:19 - "Repent, then, and turn to God, so that your sins may be wiped out...."

Zana was confident her own sins had been wiped clean when she accepted Christ as her Savior.

Zana eagerly learned more and more about Jesus, accepting Him as Lord and Savior of her life. Her once-dark life now shone brightly with God's love. But there were those around her who would not accept the change in her life, her love for the Lord. They threatened her - and on August 9, 2000, they raped and killed her.


Christians in Indonesia are fleeing for their lives as Muslim jihad warriors continue their latest plans to bring all Indonesia under Islamic "sharia" law. In Ambon, the terrorist group Laskar Jihad Ahluss Sunnah Wal Jamaah is now ready to pursue a Jihad mission in Poso, central Sulawesi. A banner on the web site of the Laskar Jihad (www.LaskarJihad.or.id) promotes violence and incites Muslims to join the ranks of the jihad to fight against the Christians in Poso, throughout Indonesia and beyond.

Islamic extremists try to justify their actions on the Koran: "Fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practice regular charity, then open the way for them: for God is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful" (Sura 9:5).

Intolerance toward Christians has again been demonstrated in Saudi Arabia where 14 Christians have been detained in recent weeks and Afghanistan where more than 50 Christians (including Muslim accomplices) have been detained - for no other reason than they are Christians whose faith cannot be tolerated.


(July 25, 2001 Jeddah, Saudi Arabia) The government of Saudi Arabia appears to be launching a major sweep of Christians in the city of Jeddah. At 12:00 midnight Wednesday, July 25 five agents of the Ministry of Interior (MOI) once again raided another home of a Christian suspected of leading home meetings at which Christians gather for prayer and Bible study.

Eskinder Menghis, an Ethiopian working in Saudi Arabia, was awakened along with his wife and three children as MOI agents entered the family's home. The agents gathered up Bibles, books, family photos, video and audio tapes as they forced Eskinder to go to police headquarters for interrogation.

Eskinder's name was on a list containing several names and addresses of Christians living in Jeddah who were on a computer taken when MOI agents conducted a late night raid on the home of Prabhu Isaac a week ago today. He was subjected to psychological torture until the names of the Christian leaders of the home meetings were extracted from him. Prabhu is from India and has worked in a hospital in Jeddah for the past 17 years. He remains under arrest in the Farifia Prison. His wife has made a tearful appeal for help in getting her husband out of prison, but so far no government has been willing to intervene, including the United States.


Yep, a real "peace-loving" bunch, I'd say.

122 posted on 09/15/2001 11:05:45 PM PDT by Stingray
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To: blackbart.223
That will never happen.

Well, then, we'll have to dispatch them, expeditiously, to Allah, won't we?

123 posted on 09/15/2001 11:07:35 PM PDT by sinkspur
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To: sinkspur
"When I see Arab nations calling for a fatwa against Bin Laden, I'll take these rags seriously."

I couldn't have said it any better!!!!

124 posted on 09/15/2001 11:12:13 PM PDT by Reborn
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To: All
So its OK with everyone to be racist now? Because I've been reading tons of blatantly racist/bigoted posts.... and now I'm not surprised that we're hearing about Arab Americans being beaten and harassed in the last few days.

If its OK to be racist now, maybe Jim Robinson should take down the 3rd rule that we see right above the reply box.

125 posted on 09/15/2001 11:13:05 PM PDT by incindiary
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To: sinkspur
"Well, then, we'll have to dispatch them, expeditiously, to Allah, won't we?"

Sounds like a good plan to me.

126 posted on 09/15/2001 11:14:17 PM PDT by blackbart.223
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To: Storm Orphan
Agreed. This constitiutes about 1 percent of all Muslims, though

Whelp...its time for the other 99% to come clean by turning in the other %1...unless and until...one big old rotten barrell of apples...too fuggin bad...

My brothers and sisters died on Tuesday...and I will not let them down

128 posted on 09/15/2001 11:14:50 PM PDT by oneway
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To: Blade
No one here opposes Constitutionalism, least of all me. You should quit raising these stupid straw man arguments.

Would you support the institutionalized torture of suspects, citizen or non-citizen? One of our most respected Freepers did, just yesterday...so don't talk to me of "straw men".

129 posted on 09/15/2001 11:15:28 PM PDT by Leroy S. Mort
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To: oneway
That makes as much sense as holding all Christians responsible for Jim Jones & Co.

We Americans are better than that. We punish the guilty. Not those who have
the same religion as the guilty.

130 posted on 09/15/2001 11:17:42 PM PDT by Storm Orphan
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To: incindiary
Since you directed your post to "all" why don't you enlighten us by showing us the racist posts?

Don't get me wrong; I'm sure they exist. But they are so few as to be insignificant. Most people who feel "morally compelled" to bring them up are merely doing so as a canard to conceal their real agendas.

131 posted on 09/15/2001 11:19:01 PM PDT by cicero's_son
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To: Storm Orphan
Thank you for your sane comments.
133 posted on 09/15/2001 11:19:45 PM PDT by incindiary
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To: Leroy S. Mort
One of our most respected Freepers did, just yesterday

There's a new usage for the word "respected" I'm not familiar with.

134 posted on 09/15/2001 11:21:13 PM PDT by Storm Orphan
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To: incindiary, malachi
Please provide specific references for the so-called "racist" posts.
135 posted on 09/15/2001 11:22:28 PM PDT by cicero's_son
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To: Illbay

SAUDI ARABIA: Freedom of religion does not exist in Saudi Arabia. Islam is the official religion, and all citizens must be Muslims. The U.S. Embassy in Riyadh reports that both citizens and foreigners are targets of harassment by members of the Mutawwa'in and by religious vigilantes acting independently. Non-Muslim worshipers risk arrest, lashing, and deportation for engaging in any religious activity that attracts official attention.

IRAN: The Iranian constitution declares that Islam is the 'official religion' of Iran. The Government restricts freedom of religion for Christians. Official oppression of evangelical Christians increased in 1996. In July 1996, Shahram Sepehri-Fard, a Muslim convert to Christianity, was arrested on charges of having 'sensitive information.' He has been denied visitors since shortly after his arrest, and his condition is unknown. In late September 1996, another Muslim convert to evangelical Christianity, Pastor Mohammed Yussefi was found dead in a public park. He is widely believed to have been murdered by Iranian authorities. In January 1997, two Christian evangelists, Daniel Baumann and Stuart Timm, were arrested and detained under suspicion of espionage, a charge which is often levied against persons who proselytize in Iran.

SUDAN: Forced conversion to Islam of Christians, animists, and other non-Muslims takes place as part of government policy. The14-year-old civil war between the mainly Islamic north and the largely animist and Christian south has claimed more than a million lives. In war zones, government efforts to restrict religious freedom are particularly heavy-handed--churches are closed or permission to build them is denied, clergy are harassed, and members of indigenous faiths are persecuted. There are reports that many Christians are victims of slave raids and forced conversion, and that some Christian children have been forced into reeducation camps where they are given Arab names and raised as Muslims.

EGYPT: Egypt's constitution provides for freedom of belief and the practice of religious rites. However, Christians face discrimination based on tradition and some aspects of the law, and there have been instances of persecution of Christians in Egypt in recent years. In addition, Christians have been the target of terrorist groups seeking to overthrow the Government and establish an Islamic state, and terrorists have killed dozens of Christians, as well as hundreds of other citizens, in the past few years, despite government efforts to protect the population.

PAKISTAN: Pakistan's constitution establishes Islam as the state religion. Since 1986, Section 295(c) of the Penal Code has stipulated the death penalty for blaspheming the Prophet Mohammed. The Government permits Muslims to convert to other faiths, but proselytizing among Muslims is illegal. Islamic extremists have assaulted, raped, and even murdered members of religious minorities. In October 1996, 14 Christian families fled the Punjab village Number 35 Eb Arfiwala following the arrest of one member of their community for alleged blasphemy. In February 1997, Muslim mobs destroyed homes and churches belonging to Christians in the Khanewal area.

ETHIOPIA: Religious tensions between Christians and Muslims, particularly in certain regions (most notably the Oromiya and Somali regions) persist, and anti-Christian sentiment is sometimes fueled by historical perceptions of Christians as elite. According to reports from non-governmental organizations, tension at the local level between and among Christians and Muslims has led to incidents of harassment, intimidation, and in some cases, violence.

Lebanon: Syria's leader, Assad, is trying to de-Christianize Lebanon. When the Hizbollah (Islamic fundamentalists) need blood for their troops, they will go into a Christian community and drain blood from a child until he or she is dead.

Egypt: Both converts and ethnic Coptic Christians have their businesses looted, higher education denied, and churches are burned. Rape of Christian women is used to force Islamic conversion.
Saudi Arabia: Conversion to Christianity is a crime punishable by death.

Pakistan: Under the blasphemy law, Christians are often fined, imprisioned or killed.

Sudan: Over one million people have died as a result of Sudan's Islamic government. Three million have been displaced whose villages have been burned or had property confiscated. Women and children are kidnapped and sold into slavery for as little as $15. Christian children are forced to go to brainwashing Islamic re-education camps.


Tell your Muslim friends to "take the high road," pal.

136 posted on 09/15/2001 11:23:16 PM PDT by Stingray
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To: incindiary
So its OK with everyone to be racist now?

No. But is it OK to cast more than a usual suspicious eye at middle eastern folk?...YES!...because the enemies of this great country, those who want to kill and maim innocent citizens of he greatest freedom loving country in world happen to be predominatly middle eastern/islamic...if we are to hold on to, defend, and perpetuate that freedom...what the HELL else are we supposed to do? ....this isn't a time for rationality or compassion...it is a time of survival...we owe nothing less to all those who have sacraficed their lives in the cause of freedom and liberty.

Its harsh, and it sucks. But it is real, and now. And it smells of blood and war...

137 posted on 09/15/2001 11:23:29 PM PDT by oneway
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To: Malachi
Exactly. It gives people on the right a bad name.
138 posted on 09/15/2001 11:25:46 PM PDT by incindiary
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To: incindiary, malachi
Unless you two intend to answer my question, perhaps you should get a private chat room.

Please show us a sampling of these "racist" posts. Again, I am sure that they exist, but they are vanishingly few when compared to the vast number of entirely sane posts.

Just because you disagree with someone doesn't make them a racist.

139 posted on 09/15/2001 11:28:55 PM PDT by cicero's_son
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To: incindiary
So its OK with everyone to be racist now? Because I've been reading tons of blatantly racist/bigoted posts.... and now I'm not surprised that we're hearing about Arab Americans being beaten and harassed in the last few days.

Nobody's being racist.

Arab Americans should encourage the heads of their Mosques to condemn, in ferocious terms, Osama Bin Laden.

But, until a fatwa is declared, these folks aren't serious.

You're either for us or against us.

One side of the line, or the other.

Let them decide.

140 posted on 09/15/2001 11:31:20 PM PDT by sinkspur
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