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Property Rights is not just a Western problem
See Article Text | 11 September, 2001 | brityank

Posted on 09/10/2001 10:59:39 PM PDT by brityank

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And something to paste on the wall or scrapbook for reference.

In Romans 1:18-32 is a great description of radical environmentalism facing America today. The most obvious part of the passage begins at verse 22, read this and see if it describes what we are facing today:

Professing to be wise, they became fools and exchanged the glory of the incorruptible God for an image in the form of corruptible man and of birds and four-footed animals and crawling creatures... For they exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.

Time for this old geezer to hit the hay (02:00) so I'll play catch-up tomorrow. Goodnight.
1 posted on 09/10/2001 10:59:39 PM PDT by brityank (brityank@FReepmail)
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To: the irate magistrate, church lady, ratcat, farmfriend, jeff head, JudyB1938
Something to think of overnight. Pass it around.
2 posted on 09/10/2001 11:05:46 PM PDT by brityank
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To: brityank
Bump for later read. Hang in there!
3 posted on 09/10/2001 11:15:44 PM PDT by zeugma
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This is an excellent post! We have a 42 acre ranch that is completely surrounded by National Forest. I have been dreading the day that the environmentalists will use my own government to take the ranch away. It's amazing how little regard is given to the rights our forefathers granted to us in the Constitution.

I have bookmarked this post, and printed a copy. I will contact the Property Rights Foundation tomorrow.

Thank you!

4 posted on 09/10/2001 11:19:21 PM PDT by passionfruit
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To: brityank
Good thread here.

Here's a bump!

5 posted on 09/10/2001 11:57:04 PM PDT by the irate magistrate
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To: brityank AuntB Jolly Roger Nunya Bidness MadameAxe
A bump to a few of my friends.
6 posted on 09/11/2001 12:37:01 AM PDT by Anthem
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To: brityank
MEGA-BUMP.

BTW, the US Supreme Court issued a landmark TAKINGS ruling on the last day of the 1last session aroung June 29, 2001.

(By coincidence, I was in the room, when it was read.)

It is a step toward greater protection of private property from arbitrary government takings, "without just compensation."

7 posted on 09/11/2001 12:47:08 AM PDT by FReethesheeples
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To: brityank
Professing to be wise, they became fools and exchanged the glory of the incorruptible God for an image in the form of corruptible man and of birds and four-footed animals and crawling creatures... For they exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.

YOU BET!
The scary part is that the NEA is teaching the children the same thing in the schools, where the God is not allowed.

The moral of this story? If you have wetland not that's not on the books yet, bulldose it under while you still have the chance.
So-called endangered lizard on your land? Kill it before they find out.
This may sound radical, but that's what I would do to save my home, property, and everything we"ve worked our whole lives for.

8 posted on 09/11/2001 5:05:58 AM PDT by concerned about politics
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To: brityank
Bump
9 posted on 09/11/2001 5:07:00 AM PDT by concerned about politics
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To: brityank
I can't stand to read stuff like this. It tears at my heart!
10 posted on 09/11/2001 6:12:27 AM PDT by JudyB1938
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To: Anthem, brityank
Bumping for a later read. I think we're all having trouble getting back to the usual problems.
14 posted on 09/12/2001 7:57:42 AM PDT by AuntB
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Don't sell Property Development Rights
By Don L. Ranck

PDRs in Ohio

A Purchase of Development Rights (PDR) program has been in operation in Lancaster County, PA for over 22 years. The pushers originally told lies and exaggerated greatly in describing the "sprawl" that would cause Lancaster to be "completely paved over" in a few years. To con people into voting for the PDR program, they created TV ads that showed a moonscape (without PDRs) and a beautiful stream and pastoral scene (with PDRs.) Don't allow Wayne Countians to be conned into selling your birthrights!

The first PDR program here was for 25 years, and county officials duped landowners into signing PDRs that paid $250 per acre, then hid a clause in the fine print that said they would have to pay it all back, plus 6% per year for the 25 years, if they did not allow the PDRs to become perpetual after 25 years, with no additional payment!

After 10 years, the state got involved and eliminated the 25-year provision, allowing solely perpetual (permanent) PDRs, which remove the right to use the land for anything other than what is permitted by the agency that holds the PDR, FOREVER! What this means is that all other rights are subsidiary to the PDRs, and pushers lie when they tell you that you still have all the rest of your rights! There are over 900 land trusts in the U.S.A. telling these lies!

In 12 years of the PA program, nearly half a billion dollars has been spent, much of it bonds that will have to be paid off by future generations, while only 2% of the state's farmland (half of one percent of PA's open space) has been enrolled! Some areas get a lot more money than others, causing envy and distrust throughout state government. The former Master of the State Grange got over $10,000 per acre for PDRs on a 250 acre farm with water and sewer on two sides, bordering the town of Trappe, PA!

Some unscrupulous landowners sell the PDRs on their land, then sell that land to an unsuspecting fool who doesn't care if there is a deed restriction on it because he just wants to farm it anyway! Then they buy another farm twice as big and try to sell the PDRs on that one too. Some state legislators who voted for the program sold PDRs on their own properties ahead of others, too! Now they are trying to reduce property taxes on land under PDRs, excluding the 98% of farmers who have not sold their PDRs.

PDRs can be transferred (sold) from one agency that holds them to another agency, raising the possibility that animal rights groups could obtain PDRs, which would allow them access to your private property.

Those who want to build mansions in the country are the biggest pushers of the PDR program. Once they have their house in the country, they want no one else to build, or at least only the wealthy may build there. Building lots overlooking PDR land increase in value over 300%! Builders and developers of expensive houses quietly favor the PDR program. Some landowners who own more than one farm sell PDRs on one, and then subdivide the adjoining farm. Therefore, PDRs CAUSE the sprawl they are claimed to prevent!

PDR is an incredible abuse of future taxpayers, and this generation of vipers who implement it will be cursed by our children and their children forever into the future.

VOTE NO! Future generations will bless you if you stop the PDR curse. There is a much better way to preserve farmland and open space. NOT with PDRs!

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Don Ranck is a resident of Paradise, Pennsylvania, and is a member of the Directors of the Pennsylvania Landowners' Association

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I am glad that I sold my Texas ranch this summer because I would go after these liars with a gun in my hands.

15 posted on 11/01/2001 7:08:01 AM PST by B4Ranch
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Those who want to build mansions in the country are the biggest pushers of the PDR program. Once they have their house in the country, they want no one else to build, or at least only the wealthy may build there. Building lots overlooking PDR land increase in value over 300%!

Ain't that the truth!
My county (El Dorado, CA) is overrun with these bastards.

16 posted on 11/01/2001 7:36:03 AM PST by Phil V.
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To: brityank
A bump so I can locate the dam' thing to copy!
17 posted on 11/01/2001 1:49:27 PM PST by backhoe
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To: B4Ranch; backhoe; farmfriend
FRiends -- does anyone have any info on the tax consequences of these PDR's?

Let me pass on some info about a friend in Upstate NY. He and his family owned five small farms around the area along with a large tract in Canada, passed on from four generations. Mr. G. lived on his families original homestead, just outside of Brighton, a moneyed suburb of Rochester. The area really took off in the 60's-70's with $250,000 to $700,000 'gentlemen's estates' (2 to 6 acres) going up all around as other farmers sold out or were coerced out of their holdings. Several times 'neighbors' of his had complained to the town hall because of his farming activities; but since he was zoned 'Agricultural' there was no recourse.

In the middle 80's, a new board had their Property Assessment Department revise the town platt maps, and his resulting tax bill went from $200/acre to $5500/acre. In other words, they were establishing his tax based on the development rights that his property would be worth raising houses instead of food. It took him a few years, but he got the assessments reversed, and he also had them pay all of his bills and fees for contesting their erroneous billings. Sadly, Mr. G. has passed on, but his sons and daughters still hold the property, and still farm there. The town hasn't bothered them since.

So therefor my concern about the tax implications; if Farmer Jones sells his 'PDR's', and therefor acknowledges that the land is worth four or five times what it is assessed for as an agricultural holding -- shouldn't it also follow that he then has placed himself in the position that he has no recourse if the authorities tax him based on that price?

Say NO! to PDR's.

18 posted on 11/01/2001 6:29:53 PM PST by brityank
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My question is what about Homesteading the land. Could they still do a PDR on you?

Tax wise, I believe that they can't tax you on potential property value. It has to be on what the land is worth now. Otherwise tax boards could say you should build million dollar apartment buildings on your land and we are going to tax you as if they were already erected.

19 posted on 11/01/2001 8:05:25 PM PST by B4Ranch
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I would only be fertilizing with fresh chicken manure every early spring and then using cattle manure from the closest dairy farm twice every summer. My neighbors would know they tried to screw the wrong ole boy.

Chicken manure is so hot that it will melt snow as it breaks down and the water in the snow would keep it fresh smelling for a month.

20 posted on 11/01/2001 8:10:25 PM PST by B4Ranch
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