Posted on 12/12/2025 4:34:36 AM PST by backpacker_c
A Republican-drafted proposal to set up health savings accounts for people who buy their health insurance on the Affordable Care Act (ACA) marketplace failed to advance on a largely party-line vote Thursday,
The legislation, which needed 60 votes to advance, failed by a vote of 51 to 48.
Every Democrat voted against it. Sen. Rand Paul (Ky.) was the only Republican to vote “no.”
Paul argued in a post on social platform X that funneling ACA subsidies into HSAs instead of to insurance companies “may be a slight improvement.”
“But it’s still a vote for ObamaCare — something conservatives would have firmly rejected not long ago,” he said.
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They needed 60 votes for cloture, but antiTrump rand paul has to grand stand and join his democrat political allies in opposing the republican bill.
The democrat version failed to get 60 votes too,
So those on obamacare are going to see big price increases...
because congress goes on Christmas break Dec 19 to Jan 5, so nothing will be done over the next couple of weeks...
“Mostly party line”, obviously today’s version of “Mostly peaceful”.
The Party of Death’s DemonRATS sure are putting their voters through hell. Easy to do with their low I.Q. and want to be given everything for free and paid for by those hardworkers among us. First, they shut down the government on their voters, then they take away the food from the 42 million SNAPPERS who starve to death if the taxpayers aren’t forced to feed their obese eating machines they ride around in. Now their beloved DemonRAT politicians are taking away their “healthcare” and giving it to the 30 million foreign scumbags in this country illegally who service the skanky, Dipstick Court judgettes.
Even Massie voted for it. but not Rand Paul.
“...want to be given everything for free and paid for by those hardworkers among us.”
Yes, their energies are focused on how to pay the bills.
The only solutions are to reduce medical costs and cut back on the amount of medical care paid for by the rest of us.
Obama got himself in trouble when he insightfully suggested that more emphasis should be given to controlling pain as opposed to than curing.
I knew that little weasel rand paul would vote against before I ever read it.
What a freaking worm.
My take on this is that Obamacare is why so many people can’t get full time employment.
Me:
What extra requirements on healthcare did Obamacare require for employers to provide?
Meta AI:
The Affordable Care Act, also known as Obamacare, requires employers with 50 or more full-time equivalent employees (FTEs) to provide health insurance to at least 95% of their full-time employees and dependents up to age 26. Here are some key requirements:
Eligibility: Employers with 50-99 FTEs were required to start insuring full-time workers by 2016, while those with 100 or more FTEs needed to insure at least 70% of their full-time workers by 2015 and 95% by 2016.
Affordability: Coverage must be affordable, meaning it can’t cost more than 9.5% of an employee’s household income for employee-only coverage.
Minimum Value: Plans must provide minimum essential coverage and cost-sharing, with an actuarial value of at least 60%, similar to a Bronze plan on the marketplace.
Penalties: Employers who don’t comply face penalties:
$2,000 per full-time employee (excluding the first 30 employees) if no coverage is offered.
$3,000 per full-time employee receiving subsidies if coverage is unaffordable or doesn’t meet minimum value standards.
Reporting: Employers must report certain information to the IRS and provide statements to employees.
These requirements aim to increase healthcare accessibility and affordability for employees .
Rand Paul once again giving Democrats valuable political cover. Now the MSM can say the GOP bill was defeated in a ‘bipartisan’ vote. Yeah, right.
It was on a wholly party line vote, as slimeball Rand Paul caucuses with the Democrats.
They need raze Obamacare, not add new furniture to its interior.
Is this forum a Conservative forum or is it a Republican forum?
There is no future for conservatism outside the Republican party.
There is no Conservative party.
Our fantastic President is the leader of the Republican Party
FR is constantly hammered with spam touting how rand paul, and massie, for that matter, are 'true conservatives' and vote 90% with the republicans, and how people here aren't really conservative or republican if they don't support paul or massie...
Except that, the other 10% of the time, rand paul and thomas massie are voting with the dems, on must win legislation Trump, and the republican party, is trying to pass..
So why don't you tell us, why we should support rand paul or thomas massie, when both of them are constantly looking for ways to make the Trump admin look bad, and doing whatever they can, siding with the dems, to vote NO and block Trump's agenda
Doesn’t matter what we know about obamacare, millions of Americans use it, and believe it’s a “right”. If Republicans allow this price hike without passing some kind of fix, they will be brutalized at the polls.
Agreed. I instead of trying to “fix” the problem, the government needs to get the hell away from healthcare entirely.
If I remember correctly, there was no income limit....and they went from 11 mil to 26.4 mil
The Dems never stress that...we have to doi it...again and again.
Factoids:
If all MDs and DO doctors were to cut their salaries to $0, the cost of healthcare would decline 8%.
Take a moment and compare HUM (Humana) and UNH (United Health Group) long term vs the S&P index. That’s where the money goes.
This is how Rand Paul votes.
If his vote makes no difference in the final result, he votes “his conscience” so he can blather that he is the only one in either party out there opposing spending.
What a useless fraud.
It was like every other GOP healthcare initiative worthless.
Separate out drug coverage so hospital systems can run care coverage systems and cut out insurance company overhead and meddlers.
Create interstate drug plans that don’t have to cover every drug. Group and exchange plans to offer vouchers at plan set amounts for out-of-formulary drugs ($700 IS1 Drug Plan Pay, 30-day supply, TV_Drug_32, to be dispensed by plan-listed pharmacy in June 2026).
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