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Germany’s Secret Plan for War With Russia
WSJ ^ | 27 Nov, 2025 | Bertrand Benoit

Posted on 11/27/2025 3:23:12 PM PST by Reverend Wright

The blueprint details how as many as 800,000 German, U.S. and other NATO troops would be ferried eastward toward the front line. It maps the ports, rivers, railways and roads they would travel, and how they would be supplied and protected on the way.

(Excerpt) Read more at wsj.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs
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To: Jonty30

I thought they would attack Russia for “Lebensraum”.

Will the Wehrmacht be reconstituted to it’s former glory?


101 posted on 11/28/2025 5:14:39 AM PST by CapnJack ( )
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To: VTenigma

VTenigma - “Germany has a small army of unwilling troops, soy boys of draft age and they are broke.”

have you ever spoken to any American troops who have worked alongside German troops?

Or are you just spouting this from your “knowledge”?

US troops stationed in Germany often express appreciation for the Bundeswehr’s professionalism, cultural similarities, and collaborative exercises, viewing them as “just like us” in discipline and work ethic.

American troops consider the German soldiers to be FAR from “soyboys” like you think, but they DO express frustration over perceived gaps in equipment, troop numbers, and operational readiness


102 posted on 11/28/2025 5:19:36 AM PST by Cronos
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To: CapnJack

The article is about how Germany would defend itself from an attack by the Russian federation.

do read the article


103 posted on 11/28/2025 5:20:15 AM PST by Cronos
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To: unread

The article, published on MSN (sourced from The Telegraph), reveals details of a classified 1,500-page German military document titled “Operational Plan for Escalation – Defence Case Germany,”

Note: “DEFENCE”

The document assumes Russia, after consolidating control over Ukraine, would rebuild its forces and launch a surprise invasion of NATO territory—specifically the Baltic states of Lithuania, Latvia, and Estonia—within 24-48 hours, and it stresses the need for deterrence to prevent escalation.

This is unequivocally a defensive plan by Germany. The document is explicitly framed as a response to an anticipated Russian invasion of NATO allies, with all strategies focused on territorial defense, alliance reinforcement, and survival measures rather than any proactive strikes or territorial expansion.


104 posted on 11/28/2025 5:21:45 AM PST by Cronos
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To: Reverend Wright

There is always a plan. That’s what the military is for.


105 posted on 11/28/2025 5:23:23 AM PST by bert ( (KE. NP. +12) Quid Quid Nominatur Fabricatur)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum; mass55th

Napoleon’s invasion of Russia was for utterly different reasons than Moustache man’s.

Napoleon was initially allied with Tsar Alexander, but then the Russian economy started hurting due to Napoleon’s economic blockade of Britain —> Napoleon’s grand strategy to defeat Britain was to strangle its trade via the “Continental System” (no trade with Britain). Russia was openly violating it after 1810, allowing British ships into its ports and imposing tariffs on French goods.

Russia had, pre-1805 been part of the Russo-Austrian-Prussian coalition against France. Tsar Alexander I withdrew from his alliance with the french after teh 1807 rteaties of Tilsit.

Most importantly - imho - Napoleon just got bored. This was a guy who brought himself up from a poor Corsican (he initially didn’t speak French and Corsica had been added to France just a few decades earlier) up to Emperor, but he was noted by all his biographers as hyperactive and restless, always dreaming up some new plans.

He could not settle down into being emperor of a huge chunk of western europe.


106 posted on 11/28/2025 5:27:23 AM PST by Cronos
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To: bert

And......oh yes

The Russian Federation corrupt to the bone military, had a plan for the capture of Ukraine.

Being corrupt and inept, Mother Russia’s military had no plan for what to do if the armies met defeat in the field Rui


107 posted on 11/28/2025 5:27:59 AM PST by bert ( (KE. NP. +12) Quid Quid Nominatur Fabricatur)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum; mass55th
Good books to reference

Though they ARE long reads - it took me a lot of fits and starts to get through them. They are incredibly detailed and expansive.

108 posted on 11/28/2025 5:29:43 AM PST by Cronos
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To: Cronos
Lest you forget......


109 posted on 11/28/2025 5:34:08 AM PST by bert ( (KE. NP. +12) Quid Quid Nominatur Fabricatur)
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To: Reverend Wright
Germany has a poor record fighting Russia. The Poles are the last foreign nation to successfully invade Russia and replace its government, but that was in 1610.

110 posted on 11/28/2025 5:36:43 AM PST by Dr. Franklin ("A republic, if you can keep it." )
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To: bert

i’ve never finished that.

I finally made it through Anna Karenina via an audiobook.


111 posted on 11/28/2025 5:39:54 AM PST by Cronos
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To: Reverend Wright

There goes the WSJ - prognosticating again...


112 posted on 11/28/2025 5:45:49 AM PST by trebb (So many fools - so little time...)
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To: Cronos

With regard to finishing War and Peace.

You posted about the devastating Napoleonic retreat from Moscow. Tolstoy wrote about is in excruciating detail near the end of War and Peace.

You might enjoy reading the final chapters describing the end of the Napoleonic endeavor. That is, skip the tons of pages that precede it.


113 posted on 11/28/2025 5:46:53 AM PST by bert ( (KE. NP. +12) Quid Quid Nominatur Fabricatur)
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To: Dr. Franklin

The Russo-Polish war after the death of the Rurikid dynasty was really more of an attempted dynastic takeover.

The Vasa kings of Poland were actually Swedish. Poland had an elected kingship and after the end of the Jagiellon dynasty in the late 1500s, had Hungarian, etc. kings — the Vasa kings were a mistake in my amateur historian’s pov.
They wanted to expand the Vasa franchise.


114 posted on 11/28/2025 6:20:18 AM PST by Cronos
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To: Cronos

Your Russian Derangement Syndrome is flaring up.....even President Trump proposes to open Trade and Commerce up with Russia, as it was before senile Joe destroyed world trade.

“Russia wants to do large scale TRADE with the United States when this catastrophic ‘bloodbath’ is over, and I agree,” Trump said...

They have much of what the West needs, at much cheaper prices. Get used to it. When I was in Moscow, ( three years), Joint Ventures prospered all, especially Germany which has now tanked.


115 posted on 11/28/2025 6:34:12 AM PST by delta7
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To: Reverend Wright

You nitwits would be defending Japan after Pearl Harbor.


116 posted on 11/28/2025 6:37:09 AM PST by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge)
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To: delta7

your anti-American derangement syndrome is flaring up.

You don’t give any answer to the fact that

the EU has 5% Mohammedans.

Russia has 11%

So yeah, they have the same problem.


117 posted on 11/28/2025 6:41:09 AM PST by Cronos
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To: Cronos
Read the article before commenting on the title.

The article is behind a paywall, so I could only comment on the excerpt that's presented here. I wish posters wouldn't post articles that are behind paywalls.

118 posted on 11/28/2025 6:41:25 AM PST by Fiji Hill
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To: delta7

Also, you give no response to the fact that your statement delta7 No, Russian is the most richest nation in the world, their natural resources are $75 trillion plus=” is false.

Russia does have the world’s highest estimated total value of natural resources (primarily oil, natural gas, coal, gold, timber, and rare earth metals), valued at approximately $75 trillion as of 2021 per Statista, with some Russian sources (e.g., Rosneft CEO Igor Sechin in November 2025) claiming over $100 trillion. The U.S. ranks second at ~$45 trillion, followed by Saudi Arabia (~$34 trillion) and Canada (~$33 trillion).

However, this does not make Russia the “richest nation” overall. Natural resource estimates (undiscovered or unextracted reserves) are not the same as current economic wealth:

Russia’s GDP (2024 est.): ~$2.2 trillion (11th globally).


119 posted on 11/28/2025 6:42:15 AM PST by Cronos
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To: Fiji Hill

the first comment by the original poster :)


An MSN link not behind a paywall

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/germany-s-secret-plan-for-war-with-russia/ar-AA1RezUv


120 posted on 11/28/2025 6:42:51 AM PST by Cronos
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