Posted on 10/26/2025 7:25:42 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican
On the day that his supporters attacked the US Capitol because his 2020 re-election run ended in defeat, Donald Trump called his vice-president at the time, Mike Pence, and told him he would go down in history as a “wimp” if he certified the election result, a new book says.
Those details were revealed on Sunday when ABC News published a preview excerpt of an upcoming book by its political correspondent Jonathan Karl. The book, titled Retribution, cites Pence’s notes from the 6 January 2021 phone call with Trump, who was purportedly trying to shame his vice-president into refusing to certify Joe Biden’s victory weeks earlier in the White House.
“If you do that, I made a big mistake five years ago,” Trump is said to have told Pence, who was his running mate when he won his first presidency in 2016. “You’ll go down as a wimp.”
According to Retribution, before he ultimately fulfilled his duty of certifying Biden’s victory, Pence’s notes maintain that he told Trump both had taken “an oath to support + defend the constitution”.
“It doesn’t take courage to break the law,” Pence’s notes portray him as saying to Trump. “It takes courage to uphold the law.”
The notes cited in Retribution say Trump also reportedly told Pence, “You listen to the wrong people.”
Pence has publicly said that he certified Biden’s victory, despite Trump’s wishes, because he knew he had no legal right to overturn Trump’s electoral defeat at the hands of Biden. That stand came as Trump and his allies brazenly pushed lies that electoral fraudsters had rigged the 2020 election in Biden’s favor, leading to his victory.
(Excerpt) Read more at theguardian.com ...
“Mommy says I’m not a wimp”
Trump nails it again... a coward, conspirator and a traitor to boot... he doesn’t love his country... he loves the cabal that riggs elections... What a coward and shit human being he turned out to be.
He’s not wrong.
He goes down as Benedict F’n Arnold.
It must be killing the oh so pious Pence that Trump is a two term President, something he will never be.
And Pence fought hard against him hoping he would lose.
“We’re gonna have some fun now, Mikey. You won’t be sorry…”
Jonathan Karl? What an effin joke.
When Trump picked him in 16 my wife asked me what l thought about him. I said l thought he might turn out to be a deep state coward. I didn’t know the half of it.
If that's the case, why would Trump say that?
I challenge any Qtard to answer that question for me, because if this story is true, this proves all of that bullcrap was just that. BULLCRAP. And we BETTER get serious and start DEMANDING accountability and FOCUS from this guy. NOW!
As the hat says, he’s right about everything.
Pence is a wuss. Wouldn’t trust him to tie anyone’s shoes.
Pence will be lucky if he only goes down as a wimp. He’s much much worse.
“Trump and his allies brazenly pushed lies that electoral fraudsters had rigged the 2020 election in Biden’s favor”
Some limey Spanyerd
Looks like America is going to get the last laugh as the truth starts coming out.
Sorry democrats. The jig is up.
Rand Paul on January 6th: "Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) called the riot "protest" that broke out Wednesday at the Capitol as lawmakers were certifying the Electoral Vote 'wrong and un-American,' and slammed the idea that Congress could overturn the Electoral College vote."
Rand Paul calls Capitol riot ‘wrong and un-American’
Then 18 days later on Sunday January 24th, on ABC's "This Week" the asshat "refused to acknowledge the legitimacy of the 2020 election, saying, "that voter fraud had been committed."
So you believe there was fraud in the 2020 election Rand, but you chose to accept Biden's fraudulent electors anyway? That's on you dimwit. The guy is cuckoo.
Another quote from his appearance on "This Week:
Rand Paul: “Were there people who voted twice?” Paul asked host George Stephanopoulos. “Were there dead people who voted? Were there illegal aliens who voted? Yes, and we should get to the bottom of it.”
Has the asshat ever introduced legislation to demand election integrity? Nope.
Rand Paul Refuses to Accept Legitmacy of 2020 Election or Joe Biden as President
Rand Paul is an idiot and a serial hypocrite.
The Constitution does not mandate that he certify the election.
“It doesn’t take courage to break the law,” Pence’s notes portray him as saying to Trump. “It takes courage to uphold the law.”
Refusing to certify a disputed election is not breaking the law.
Don’t forget that Judas swore on national TV in August 2022, that he wasn’t in possession of classified documents, only to have the FBI find classified documents at his home in Carmel, Indiana in January 2023, and another classified document at his home in February. That just goes to show you how thorough the FBI is searching for things. And of course Pence gave B.J.’s to Christopher Wray and the investigation was dropped.
This was part of Trump’s problem in his first term. There was nobody around him that he could truly trust. That led him to trust Fauci, among others. The second time, he knew better.
Hurl...
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