Posted on 10/19/2025 9:00:09 PM PDT by Kazan
Interesting discussion. Witkoff and Kushner were being briefed by the CIA on the exact opposite position of Hamas as explained by the leaders of Qatar, Egypt and Turkey.
What the CIA was saying to them was exactly the opposite of reality, as Kushner and Witkoff put the peace deal together. Remarkable.
CIA agents should be sanctioned for this.
Sundance?
See tag line.
The CIA has been corrupt, and uncontrolled since its inception. It has basically lied to every President since Eisenhower, and yes, even Obama, and most assuredly Biden, if they ever even gave him security briefs.
Can anyone flesh this out a bit? What was the CIA supposedly saying about Hamas that was the opposite of what Qatar/Egypt/Turkey were saying?
I imagine the CIA suits were indicating Hamas was much more willing to disarm, cede Gaza control and the like.
Most of us were highly skeptical Hamas would do that at all.
Virtually the entire U.S. government, since 1948, has been pretending that the palis would bargain in good faith, and were honorable enough to keep their word, once given
The Bedouin and Arab, since the days of Hammurabi, have never kept their word one second past when they saw advantage in breaking it. When, that is, they intended to keep their word in the first place.
That may be painting the peoples of the near east with a broad brush, but except for Egypt, Jordan and the actual Persians in Iran, who are greatly oppressed by their arab rulers. Even present Turkey keeps most of their treaties.
So the CIA can be used to know exactly what is NOT happening?
Let’s talk about who funds the CIA?
I thought the administration actually has opertational control of the agency including its resources. Trump appoints the director. The Senate gives oversight. Is it an arm of the Pentagon? Does it work in tandem with the Defense intelligence? Then Hegseth better get off his rear and jack it up. Right?? Time to fix this crap.
Where the hell is John Ratcliffe?
I haven’t seen any cleaning out the CIA cesspool since he took control.
I thought he was one of the good guys!
No rational person expects Hamas to keep their side of any bargain. It is a miracle that they released the living hostages, and that alone is a huge success.
If the Trump peace plan has any more wins, that will be a bonus.
That it would be wrong would not be surprising, since it has missed everything since the collapse of the Soviet Union, but some details would help.
It wasn’t a miracle. It was a trade and they received many many more in return.
Stupid deal.
>>”This story is meaningless since it does not say what the CIA supposedly said.”
Yeah, but Sundance says it was so, so it must be true. He doesn’t need sources. His superior reasoning skills allow him to figure everything out by inference alone. /s
Right before the gap in the Watergate tapes, Nixon says something like “And this will bring up the whole Cuban thing with the CIA” Halderman took this to mean the JFK assassination.
Probably used CIA as a “reverse barometer” to quote General Custer in the movie Little Big Man.
The fall of the Berlin Wall and the implosion of the Soviet Union caught the CIA totally off guard. That wasn’t all that long ago, from an institutional perspective, and I doubt much changed.
Yup, silly posting from "Sundance"
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