Does God exist? Modern science shows he must, bestseller argues

The Times ^ | 4Oct 25 | Ben Spencer

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Science and religion have never been easy bedfellows. As Thomas Jefferson put it in 1820, priests “dread the advance of science as witches do the approach of daylight”. Five centuries of scientific breakthroughs — from Galileo to Darwin to Crick and Watson — have eroded our belief in the divine.

But now, according to a new book, a “great reversal” is under way. Science, its authors argue over 580 pages, has come full circle and “forcefully put the question of the existence of a creator God back on the table”.

In a striking challenge to the academic consensus, two French authors, Michel-Yves Bolloré and Olivier Bonnassies, argue that the latest scientific theories lead to only one logical conclusion: an all-powerful deity created the universe and all life within it….

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Imagine If man’s science spent time on proving God’s existence, instead of disproving his existence?

[csn vinnie]

I don’t know that “science” could either prove or disprove the existence of God. But I believe there will be a day when everyone is convinced.

[Puppage]

Amen

[TalBlack]

I don’t know what to tell people who think all of this order and balance spontaneously erupted out of nothing and undirected.

[EnderWiggin1970]

You can't use science to prove God. In logic you cannot use a premise to prove itself. Science is founded on the belief that the universe operates according to natural laws. The law of cause and effect demands that there be a cause for those laws - i.e., a Lawgiver. So you have to assume the existence of a lawgiver to believe in laws to have science in the first place. The modern doctrine that was so central to my university experience - "Laws exist, therefore there is no Lawgiver" - is precisely irrational. (Not that they put it in so many words, but that was the great theme of my schooling.)

As an aside, the Lawgiver would not be subject to the laws He caused, so the common atheist objection that the Lawgiver must have a cause is senseless. In fact, it is impossible to conceive of a universe in which a self-existent entity is not found. The atheist raising such an objection is typically imputing to the law of causality exactly the property of self-existence that he finds so problematic in the idea of God.

[Raycpa]

Science tests on a premise that there is order in the world and it can be discovered. Theology explains where the order comes from. Without order there is no science. Without God there is no order only chaos. Genesis describes the chaos as formless, empty, and dark. Order begins with God saying one word, Be.

[Raycpa]

Tests = rests.

[doc maverick]

Ask any atheist scientist 2 questions:
How did “ time” evolve?
Where did reality come from?
Immediately, they are silent with a brain block.
Even Albert Einstein said God exists.
Our reality can be explained if God exists.
Our brains can’t go past that fact.

[Vaduz]

Yes something created everything call it what you may God or a force or? it happened we are here for a while.

[nwrep]

This is actually more impactful than if the people at the Discovery Institute or Ken Ham would have written it.

[marktwain]

Science and religion have never been easy bedfellows.

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At least he states they were bedfellows and not antagonists.

The Christian Church has been one of the principle promoters of science, because of Christianity’s worship of Truth.

Gallello, Newton, Mendel, Coppernicus, Linnaeus, Euler, Lavoisie, were all pious Christians. The Christian church supported science far more than it opposed science.

[marktwain]

Our reality can be explained if God exists.
Our brains can’t go past that fact.

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Once it is accepted that humans are limited creatures, the question becomes are there, or may there be creatures who limits surpass ours?

Thence everything flows to the idea of a God.

[kawhill]

“two French authors, Michel-Yves Bolloré and Olivier Bonnassies, argue that the latest scientific theories lead to only one logical conclusion: an all-powerful deity created the universe and all life within it….” I know one thing for sure I couldn’t have done it.

[gildafarrell]

Isaiah 55:8—”For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD.”

[fishtank]

Atheists don’t exist… they just suppress the obvious.

[ro_dreaming]

Science can HELP explain HOW.

Christianity can HELP explain WHY.

[Freedom4US]

Johnny Von Neumann was one of the most brilliant physicists who ever lived. I’m not sure if he was the feller who “proved” the existence of God in the 1950s, but he was an extremely intelligent guy. His fellow physicists at the time, in the 1930s and 1940s, no slouches themselves in the gray matter department quipped that the Hungarian wasn’t human, but after many years has achieved a fairly good approximation of human behavior. He once said the universe makes much more sense with the existence of God than without. He was taken far too soon and died of cancer, perhaps a result of visiting the H-bomb test sites at Eniwetok, that kind of thing. Radiation exposure. He rediscovered his Catholic faith or upbringing on his death bed as well.

[voicereason]

I don’t know what to tell people who think all of this order and balance spontaneously erupted out of nothing and undirected.

I don't think the real issue for many is whether or not some supreme being is out there. There sure seems to be evidence for that, regardless of what name someone wants to use for it. Of course, there are complete doubters, but I think the issue for many is organized religion, which helps to push people away from embracing the concept.

[ptsal]

BKMK

[ptsal]

AMEN